866. - Physical Therapy

[upbeat music] How long gone? Uh, it's Chris Black. I am coming to you from the yay area. Um, them jeans and I in the same time zone was really cracking slime.

Uh, yadda-da-mean, though.

[laughs]

What the business is.

I knew you'd have something for me [laughs].

You got something yay for me? Yeah, you look, uh, y- you're, you're in a founder lounge of some sort. Is this what's going on?

I'm always in the founder lounge. That's actually for, for American Express cardholder. No, yeah.

[laughs]

I'm, I'm in a, I'm in what you... Yeah, you could call it a founder lounge I guess, but it's a beautiful... I'm, like, pretty high up, so I'm looking at the, at the water. It's q- it's quite nice here today. And yesterday, I got here yesterday. It was, it was very nice.

Okay, so you're high up, living high on the hog.

Mm-hmm.

How many floors up is Peter Thiel's office once you're finally there?

Peter, well, you gotta [laughs] you gotta work your way up if you know what I'm saying. So tw- you know, 20, 20 floors maybe. Maybe 25-

All right

... I think. Not, not so- not super crazy, but Peter-

Okay

... Peter was nice enough to let me take the stairs and not the elevator, so I got, I was warmed up when I got here.

I had to take the stairs at the one hotel in Brooklyn-

[laughs]

... because, oh yeah, their elevator doesn't work. Unless you want to use the one that takes you to the rooftop where they have all gender trough bathrooms.

[laughs]

Yeah, it's so awesome there.

Forgot, forgot, forgot about that. Was it... Okay, was it a situation though where you taking it to the roof and walking down would be faster than walking... You know what I'm saying? Like, was there-

Yeah

... th- that's a tough, that's a tough call.

I, we were only staying on the third floor, so it wasn't bad.

Okay, it was better for you, it was better for you. That's fine. Yeah, third floor I can make it. I, I lived like that. I went to Kobe's apartment. It was like a three floor walk up, and I was like, "I'm having memories, fam."

[laughs]

I was... The, the memories were rushing back to me. It, it, it, I like it 'cause it, it, you, you earn your, your kinda couch sit, you know what I'm saying? You f- you really feel like every time-

Yeah, right before you're about to eat $138 worth of Thai food that some guy-

[laughs]

... just delivered on a bicycle in the middle of a snowstorm, you're gonna get, you're gonna get your three flights in. You're gonna get your zone two cardio for, what? Almost a minute. It's gonna be dope.

At least a mi- minimum minute. Um-

But I like, I like the hotel back corridor stairways because it's like you'll be in a beautiful, expensive hotel room where everything is considered, and then the hallway staircase thing, you know, it's g- it's giving Chernobyl. It doesn't matter if it's a new building or an old building, and, uh, it feels, it feels lawless in there, you know what I mean? Graffiti is welcome.

No, there's-

There's no security cameras.

Graffiti welcome [laughs].

I can slam whatever I want. All my slammables are welcome.

That's, uh, no, that's tr- I, I know what you mean. Those stairwells are kind of forgotten, lost.

Get a little piece of head back there, you know.

[laughs] Hey, hey, shorty, come into the staircase here.

Yeah, if you get, if you walk a- walk in into the staircase, someone's getting some head in there, it's your fault, it's not theirs.

Oh, yeah. You, you, you feel-

It's like, "What are you doing in here? Get outta here"

... yeah. "Get, hey, what are you looking at?"

[laughs]

"Get on out of here now." Uh, yeah, I'm, I don't, I, uh, this flight was a little last minute and very costly, so I had some, I had a, a layover yesterday and a layover tomorrow when I head back, and I have to say a- as a, as a person who loves efficiency, the layover kills me, but taking a little break to get, like, a coffee is, is kinda nice. I, I kinda like... I, I didn't mind stretching my legs.

Damn, this motherfucker's trying to work out his new GQ need to pull.

No, no, no.

He's like-

Hmm. No, I-

... "Let's take a second look at layovers."

No, I've al-

Recession indicator ass

... I've, I've already done that when I took a shower at the lounge.

I know, I-

[laughs] Don't worry, I've already covered-

I had to, I had to read about how Soho House is good again, you know. I, I think that's as far as we can go, bro. We can't do-

Dude, look, Soho House-

We're sleeping on Salt Lake City

... So, well, I think we might be sleeping on Salt Lake City. That's a separate... I, I, I didn't get to explore yesterday-

[laughs]

... but based on the Mormon soda trends, I think there's something for you to explore there as well.

Mormon soda?

Yeah, Mormons, you know, 'cause they can't drink, they, they have these crazy-

They can only kill.

No, they have, like, a soda... They have, like, soda restaurants that are, like, 50 kinds of soda and you mix them and it's a whole thing because they can't, they can't, they have nothing else. They can't have sex, they can't drink.

Of course they like soda fountain bars. They're 12.

Yeah, no, it's, it's a pretty cool-

Spiritually

... it's a cool trend. I mean, I see it on TikTok. I don't have to go to Salt Lake, but I, I, I guess what I-

Yeah, those guys are having fun

... I w- I always, I ob- obviously hate to get on and, a- and off and have to rush, but when it's timed right it felt good is what I'm saying. 'Cause usually you have to-

Mm

... as we've s- as we've said before on this podcast, men can't run in the airport.

No, no.

Um, that's, that's, that's [laughs] worse than having a shopping cart.

You can glide.

You can glide.

You c- I, I guess I can, I can appreciate a well-oiled mac- the machinations of a well-oiled perfect flight plan. M- more difficult to pull off now as we enter, you know, day 40 of the government shutdown and, you know, all of our essential workers at the airport are, are starting, are dropping like flies now that they're on, on week four of zero pay.

I keep, I keep hearing about this.

Just for the squad.

I keep hearing about this and luckily, 'cause I flew out of Newark and I was worried I was gonna be affected, but luckily everything was fine. But I th- again, if you leave at 5:45 AM, there, the [laughs] there's so much-

Sure

... somebody's gonna be there. I mean, speaking of, uh, rest in peace to, to Reverend Dick Cheney, uh, one of the-

Oh, yeah, yeah

... one of the worst of all time. He passed away today, and, you know, in New York it's election day, and, you know, Maybach Zoe is looking like the-

[laughs]

... is looking like the, the leader. His old grinning ass is, looks like he's gonna take this thing. And I tell you what, I, I would hate to be a IPA in Brooklyn tonight if he wins-

[laughs]

... 'cause it ain't, it ain't going down. It's, it's gonna be, whatever the opposite of rioting in the streets is is what's gonna happen. Like, w- what do you think, calm sort of conversation over cocktails is how, how you celebrate?

I think we're gonna gather a bunch of t- teachers with-

[laughs]

... sweatpants on that have stains, some house shoes. There's gonna be the New York Yankees hat, but it'll be hand embroidered to work in the word ACAB some-

[laughs]

... somewhere on it.And then on the back of the hat that was made by a female, of course, the, uh, the back of the hat will let him, what, let the other people know what their job is.

Mm.

So it'll, it'll say teacher or, or, or-

Yeah

... you know, something like that. And then of course everyone will be wearing a mask.

Do, do you think you have a sticker with your pronouns or is that d- is that too far? 'Cause I feel like if you have the mask, if you go l- if you go Lorenz mode, you might as well put a sticker on with your pronouns and full name.

That's one of the things that they didn't tell you that, that, uh, that Maybach Zoe snuck in there. Part of the socialist regime, pronouns are out.

Yeah. [laughs]

That's just, it's just socialists only.

Maybe Zoe's looking a little better. I l- I mean, look, I, I've, w- I wonder-

Well, yo, what's your Zoe noun?

[laughs]

Hey, what's your, what's your real name?

What's your-

Not your Muslim name. [laughs]

Stop, dude.

I, my Zoe nouns I identify as... [laughs]

My Zoe nouns I, I, I'd... Oh, God, I-

[laughs]

I can't think of-

I, yeah, my, my, my Zoe nouns are Bira, Yani.

[laughs] Oh, I, I, I just, I think that these people are going to be, like every day is a hard day on the internet, you know? But today is, is the, the stickers and the posting and the, you know, hot girls for Zohan, and it's like, let's, let's just, just go vote. If you wanna v-

For, yeah, for

... if you wanna vote, just go. If you wanna vote, if that's something that's important to you, then absolutely go cast your ballot and, and feel good about it, and that's fine. You don't need to, like the, anything beyond that is... Also, like, when you're posting the selfie in the hot girls for Zoran baby tee, like, your followers are already... Come on. Like, unless it's your OF, like, they already are with you on that.

You're preaching to the choir.

Yeah.

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah, they're not going... Yeah, they're not going-

Have you ever, have you ever worn the I Voted sticker to in, to get some pussy?

I've never worn an I Voted sticker in my entire life.

You ever, you ever voted into some p- [laughs]

I, [laughs] I think, I mean, there's plenty of people-

I might, I might whoopsie daisy fuck around and voted my way into some dick tonight.

I v- I voted backwards into some dick tonight.

[laughs]

I think the, I think that there is that element. I mean, that's, that's the performative male.

I feel like there's a, there's like a 14% chance that I've-

You definitely have

... I've, depending on where I was going, I have, I have donned the I Voted sticker-

Yeah

... just to-

Definitely

... you know, increase the per-

Yeah

... the, the chance just a little bit.

And I don't bla- I don't blame anybody for doing that. I think the, more power to you. I think that's, I think that's the best reason to wear that sticker.

It's performance enhancing drug with, and it's zero fatalities, zero casualties.

I've seen people posting-

No one loses

... I've seen people posting, like, a stack of stickers. Like they, like they took extra to-

Sure.

And I'm like, what are you gonna do with your Halloween one of one? Like, I don't know what you're gonna do with-

[laughs]

... with spooky, spooky bitches for Zo- like, what are you gonna do with that?

Well, you go on, you go on Amazon, you buy the roll, and then you never have to buy another sticker again. You, just every year-

Good point. Good point. It's like when-

November 4 rolls around, you pull it out of the closet

... it's like when, it's like when you could buy the COVID vaccination cards, you know-

[laughs]

... on the black, on the black market. If you need a I Voted sticker, I got you for 100. Just give me one blue face.

And by the way, if you, if anyone still needs the COVID cards-

[laughs]

... let me know. I got people's, you know what I'm saying?

[laughs] Jesus, that's so... Like, we can drive down to the valley right now, I can get you 100.

Yeah, I feel like-

No, no, no questions asked

... it seems like, you know, uh, when we were younger, Dick Cheney, former vice president and architect of 9/11, he-

[laughs]

... he, he was a big deal, and now him dying on election day, I think he's gonna get really swept under the rug headline-wise.

I already saw somebody-

Drudge is gonna give him 45 minutes on the top and then-

If that-

... adios

... that post ain't sticky. That post ain't sticky.

[laughs]

I, I, I think that I already saw, I already saw, and I don't know if this was, if this was actually produced or, uh, just as a, a, a Photoshop job, but there was like a I, uh, I was in, whatever, I was in New York City on November 4th when Zohan got elected and Dick Cheney died. And I'm like, the, the person who would wear that shirt is the person-

[laughs]

... I wanna be around the absolute least on planet Earth. And look, Dick Cheney's the, the gum on the bottom of my shoe, don't get me wrong.

Mm-hmm.

But I, you know, I don't, I, we... I just don't know. Like, the guy's old, he's dead, but you're right, he's gonna, he's not winning this one. This is gonna be, this is gonna be a tough day for him.

But I will-

This is what, like-

... the movie-

... celebrities pray for

... the, what was the movie that ca- it was called Dick. It was, like, 15 years ago, right?

Yeah, it was, um, Adam McKay. Got destroyed.

I think I saw that in the theater. It's called Vice. What a plain movie that is.

Great plain movie. No, I've, I've seen that.

64% on Rotten Tomatoes, exactly what you need.

I've seen that. I've, I've, I've seen that movie before. And, and rest in peace to, to Big Dick. He had a, he had a, he had a nice life, you know?

[laughs]

Besides the last 30 years when he shot... Who'd he shoot? I forgot who he shot. Remember that?

Yeah, he, it, it was a quote-unquote "hunting accident." He shot-

He shot the homie

... a little friendly fire one of the homies, yeah.

I hate when I shoot the homie. That's like, that's like Ohtani's translator taking the fall for his gambling. Like, Cheney's vict- Cheney's guy was like, "All right, bro, fuck it. I'll take it. I'll take the L. I'll say it was an accident."

The ultimate power move. The ultimate power move. Like, you know, you know I, uh, almost killed you with a gun, but, you know, we don't need to do anything about that.

We, we don't have to, we don't have to-

You're good.

We don't gotta talk about this again, do we? This can kinda stay between us.

It's very mafioso-y.

Very mafioso-y.

Um, yeah.

Oh, man.

Let's see what else we got. Yeah, we, I guess we have in nine days GQ's Man of the Year. The live stream is gonna be going down hosted by Chris and I and, uh, Quinlyn Blackwell. It's gonna be a blast. Tune in live on YouTube, 7:00 PM, uh, PT.

Yeah, I don't know-

Lot of, lot of celebs in the mix.

Yeah, a lot of celebs. I can't w-

Big names

... I can't wait to confront a lot of these people. Um-

We got Haley Bieber, Hailey Bieber.

[laughs] What? Hailey Bieber and Sydney Sweeney, I'm flipping a quarter.

I don't know, I don't think we're allowed to talk to either of them, but-

It's for the best, for the best for everyone else. Yeah, they want us to talk to Seth Rogen and Stephen Colbert, and that's fine.

[laughs]

I'm fine with that. Like, put me, put me in my corner, put me where I belong. But I'm, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I'm excited, and I think it's gonna be fun, and I think that the, um-You know, the, the setting will be nice

At the Chateau? Right across the street from the On Air kiosk. Wow, what a place.

That's a-

What a place

Do you know where [laughs], do you know where the Chateau Marmont is? Yeah, it's actually right across the street from the On Air kiosk. [laughs]

[laughs]

That's a good... Let, let's, let's, let's kinda change the narrative around that, around the positioning here.

Mm-hmm.

Um, yeah, it'll be, it'll be fun. People are, uh... These covers, I mean, Sydney Sweeney's been everywhere. I mean, when, when Joe Budden makes her, her the cover art of his podcast, that's whi- that's what we call white excellence.

What did [laughs], what did they, what did, how did, what did they mention?

They call 'em great white. They call 'em, on Joe Budden, when somebody white is cool, they call 'em a great white [laughs].

A great white? Wow.

Um-

So, like, no, like, that is your number one for your life? Like-

Yeah, if I was called a great white by Joe and Ish and Ice, then I could die. I think they were, they were commenting on, on Sydney's heaving chest, but they were basically, Joe was acting like that was light work. Joe was like, "Yeah, I mean, like, you know, like-"

He said, "Them titties is a'ight"?

Yeah, that, yeah. He said he liked it, but he wasn't, like, super crazy about it, but they did talk about it for 20-

Wow, he's so cool. He's so different

... they did talk about it [laughs] for 20 minutes on a podcast.

Love a 45-year-old bald guy negging Sydney Sweeney over Spotify.

[laughs] He's talking about, he's talking about Sydney Sweeney looking hot in his Rude sweats that have, like, dog hair on them.

[laughs]

All right, we got a guest today.

[laughs]

Uh, Big Physical Therapy's in the building. Uh, you might know him by his government name. I'm not gonna out him like that. Um, his pronouns are, are he/him. Um, and it looks like he's coming to us from the... Jason, is this a lab we're seeing?

It looks like a techno lab, and, uh, he's, he's on 'cause we're gonna talk about his new musical project, Car Culture. You know, I already got the hat right here.

The hat's really nice. Do you spell it-

King of Hats. King of Hats.

Oh, good, it's spelled with a C. I was worried you'd went Kardashian mode to freak it.

Ooh, culture. Okay.

That would be kind, that'd be a little close to KKK at that point, you know?

It would be a little... Okay, let's give, let's-

That's a good point

... let's give Daniel a call.

You thought of everything.

Thanks for-

You thought of everything

... chiming in really quick on the intro to mention the KKK again. I think you did that on the first time you were on the pod. Anyway, let's give him a call.

This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian, Stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's, uh, it's trying to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world, and I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions.

A lot of questions, but how often? 'Cause we do this podcast three times a week, and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do?

Three times a week, and I, I, I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe gonna be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess.

The Guardian is not some billionaire-owned platform. They're not afraid to say what they wanna say, brother.

Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in, in what, uh, journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at, at, uh, Stateside.

Mm-hmm.

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All right, Dan. We're, you're, you're coming to us from the lab, and I, I wanna know how deep in Ridgewood are we, or is this, is this in a neighborhood I've never even heard of yet?

Uh, I'm in Ridgewood. I really wanted to ask you, like-Have you been to Ridgewood?

[laughs]

I don't think so because i- why would I? Like, what is there for me there? You know what I mean? Unless you want me to get on a track, we can talk obviously.

[laughs]

But otherwise, what... Is there a restaurant?

Until, until you open a This Bowl, there's no real reason-

[laughs] Yeah

... for him to shoot over there.

Yeah, exactly. [laughs]

Well, 'cause the n- the gentrification in the neighborhood has been, like, in psycho lightning speed in the last two years.

[laughs]

And now there's all these, like, restaurant... People come here from Manhattan. I was out on a date the other day, and we-

Period

... we're walking around Ridgewood.

[laughs]

I'm thinking, "We'll just go walk into a restaurant." Multiple restaurants, two-hour waits.

Wow, you thought.

Dude.

So you and your date ended up, what, getting a slice? Getting a, a quick deli sandwich? What'd you do?

No, we went to a new gentrified, uh, Polish place called Pierogi Boys. [laughs]

Yeah, they're gentrifying the Polish homies now, too?

Dude, a pierogi, pierogi is the last thing I wanna eat if it's traditional or not, especially on a date.

You know, you talk, you talk about panty droppers. You know, you've got the Chez Panisse. You have a nice omakase meal. Uh-

What is your... Hold on, what did, what did this-

But, but, but Pierogi Boys. The pierogi food truck?

Elevated Polish. It's a surefire thing.

[laughs]

Elevated. All right, so what is Short-

[laughs]

What, but hold on. What is... When, when you... When Shorty is confronted with pierogis for dinner on a date, what does she go? Is there a salad? Do they have those in Poland, or did she have to just go, "Whatever"?

No, we had... There was, like, a, you know, a beet salad.

Mm.

We had the pierogi. The schnitzel was good.

[laughs]

The pickle, the pickle martini was not bad.

The pickle martini.

You're making-

Okay

... you're making excuses for Ridgewood, and I respect it because you're saying you're an early gentrifier, but now it's getting worse.

I'm an early gentrifier. I'm a medium gentrifier, but yeah.

Okay, so but I, I don't understand. Is, is there one restaurant that's good? Isn't there, like, one place?

Okay, the restaurant that started the current wave of gentrification is called Rolo's.

That's the... I've heard of this.

Mm.

And it was, at a point, maybe my favorite restaurant in New York.

Wow, okay. Neighborhood guy. What, what would you-

Actually, somebody on Instagram told me I need to go to Rolo's the next time I'm in town.

Hold on. So how long... If, all right, let's say, let's say I live downtown Manhattan. How long is it taking me to get to Ridgewood, get, get to Ridgewood? Let's... And be honest. Don't give me no bullshit.

If you're off the M, you can do it in 35, 40 minutes. One train, no transfers.

I'm not off the M, so what are my other options?

Uh, the L.

How long's a car, how long's a car when you're coming home from one of your little late night DJ sets?

The same, 30, 40 minutes.

Okay, that's not that bad, actually. I thought it was further than that. I thought it was further than that.

It feels further, 'cause it feels like the suburbs, but it's not.

Okay, but now you're saying you can walk around and see hotties and get a cortado.

Oh, there's multiple cortados here. It's happening.

[laughs]

'Cause it used to be there would be these kind of, like, old school gentrification places where it would be, like, a sandwich place or a coffee shop, but the coffee and the sandwich would be bad.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Like, Sprouts hit Ridgewood, like, you know, five years ago.

Sprouts the market or the, the produce item?

The produce item-

Okay, Sprout- [laughs]

... that was big, like, 15 years ago.

Well, if you're a real head, Sprouts never left, just to let you know.

Jason and I, Jason and I are on the record as Sprouts lovers.

I, I like them.

Doesn't sound like you like them, Danny boy. What's up?

I'm just saying they represent a kind of, like, old school-

Mm-hmm

... you know?

Eh, fair, fair.

No, they do. They do.

Now things have jumped ahead.

So w- if I go to Rolo's, if I go to Rolo's and I take a 30-minute train ride and then wait two hours at Rolo's-

[laughs]

... what's the, what's the, what's the must-have dish that I've just wasted my entire night to get?

You gotta get the beet salad, Chris.

[laughs] What's the, what's the Rolo's hit?

Okay, well, I will say the, the last couple times I went there, it was a little bit... It wasn't-

Oh

... as good as it was. But it used to be, like, the big green salad was amazing.

Mm-hmm.

I, now that, now you're sp- you are speaking my language. I had... I, I went to... I did go to Chez Panisse last night, and we did order four salads. So I, I am... That's kinda-

Yeah

... my main menu item.

Pause. [laughs]

And their pastas were crazy. Like, good drinks menu. They make this polenta bread that you could get with mortadella or-

Mm, mm-hmm

... it's good. It's kind of that, like, new, new American-Italian-

[laughs]

... fusion that all-

Mm-hmm

... restaurants are.

Mm-hmm. And did they make hats or tote bags?

They definitely made hats and tote bags.

[laughs]

Yep, that's, that's, that's the beginning of the end then. That, we all know that.

The only people who have more merch than musicians now are restaurants.

Yeah.

It's, it's kinda crazy.

It's the only way you can make money in a, in a, as a restaurant now.

Merch with musician, I mean, that's, like, part of the history of music and how bands put gas in the van. So in my mind, it's totally fine.

Mm-hmm.

And for restaurants, it's fine, too, but for some reason, it has hit an extreme saturation point, like nothing we've ever seen before.

Yeah, it used to be fun if you were, like, in Tennessee, and you're, like, at a rib place, and you got the shirt that said, like, Buck's Rib Hut or something. You'd be like-

Mm-hmm

... you know? But it's like, do I need to buy a shirt from a restaurant in SoHo? Like, no.

[laughs]

Yeah, I'm not gonna get the... I'm not, yeah, I'm not gonna g- I'm not gonna get the Rolo's camo hat to wear around.

Yeah, the, the restaurant merch has to be authentic, real merch. It has to be, like, made by, you know, a dad that owns the sandwich shop, and it's just a, a generic design on a regular shirt. And it just looks different and odd and wrong in the perfect way. And then as soon as you start having somebody duplicate that in Figma, all the juice is squeezed out of it. It just looks like pussy boy shit.

That's like, do you remember when, like, Abercrombie & Fitch or whatever would have, like, fake vintage T-shirts-

Mm-hmm

... when we were kids?

Of course.

And they would also sometimes be, like, a little bit racist.

[laughs]

They were embroidered somehow, so they did cost $100. It was a little more high-end product wise.

But every, everyone w- I mean, they were just copyingThe Gaultiers and the-

Mm

... and the McQueens and everyone who was doing all of that-

Trickle-down

... distru- the trickle-down distression-

Mm-hmm

... of, of the late '90s fashion world.

And that's something you don't hear Zoran talking about at all, do you, Jason?

[laughs]

Exactly.

Speaking of merch-

Mm

... on the train today I saw a guy, he had a, a camo Zoran hat in a metal, like, illegible metal font.

Like black metal Zoran on the camo hat?

[laughs] Yeah. I was like-

How do people, how do people... I honestly wanna get inside the brain of someone that's that uncool, and just see what it's like in there.

[laughs]

Like, how do you get, how do you get there? Like, what's the-

They would be the first to say, "You don't wanna be up in here."

That's true. Yeah, you don't wanna get in there.

You don't wanna see what that guy's jacking off to, 'cause it ain't gonna be fun.

But taking, taking the train's the best pl- I mean, it's the best way to see anything to enrage or delight, and that's the beauty of the New York Public Transportation System, I think.

[laughs] I saw you did a video with Tom-

Yeah

... uh, from ID. Do you remember when he used to do the shoe reviews-

Oh, yeah

... on the-

Yeah, yeah, I do

... dude. That was the best content.

[laughs] Well, I mean, it was, it was, it was victimless because, you know, people, people get their, like, lives ruined if they post someone's, like, face on Instagram. Like, if, if you're, if somebody does something wrong to you at the gym and you video them, it comes back to you.

Mm-hmm.

But a, a cooked Air Force 1 on the, the F train, victimless. Victimless crime.

Victimless crime.

Do you think anyone has ever, like, the shoe has been so specifically bad that they're like, "I thought you said you were out of town on a work meeting. How come this was posted on the subway? I know your fucking cooked-ass Jordans, these exact shoes," and you know?

[laughs] It's very possible.

You get caught cheating 'cause of the shoe review?

Yeah, exactly.

I know you're Steve Maddens. Don't give me, don't get it twisted.

[laughs]

I know you're, you ain't supposed to be in that borough right now.

'Cause my shit's one of one, so if you flick up my shit and put it on Instagram stories-

[laughs]

... they're gonna say, like, "Who else has this shoe?" Search results, zero found.

[laughs]

That's why you gotta have your cheating shoes, you know?

[laughs]

[laughs]

Hey babe, where are my cheating shoe... Oh, oh, shit.

No, I keep my, keep my square-toed cheating shoes in the car, just, like, in the trunk on the low, like, in the, where the spare tire goes.

Yo, fellas, every once in a while, wear your cheating shoes around your wife.

Chea- [laughs]

That'll throw, throw her off the scent.

Throw her off the scent. Smart.

You got on your cheating shoes. [laughs] It's so funny.

I know it sounds weird.

[laughs]

Give it a, give it a shot.

Stick with me on this. Stick with me on this. [laughs]

Um, I was just watch- I was watching SNL last night, and it was really bad. Miles Teller and Brandi Carlile, like-

Nobody likes Brandi Carlile. We gotta talk about that psyop.

Lesbians do, though. Lesbians, that's it.

No, I don't think le- I don't think lesbians like-

Respect

... I think lesbians only like her because she's a lesbian and they wanna see her succeed, but I don't think they wanna list- I don't think they listen to it in their new Bronco-

So you're saying-

... when they're going to the grocery store

... fat girls don't like listening to Lizzo, but she's there, so we gotta do it kinda thing?

H- I j- I just really don't think Brandi Carlile feels like a Grammy board plant that's, like, exists-

Mm-hmm

... exists only to win awards, and no one-

She was generated in a lab to collaborate with Elton John at, at a certain point when he needs some help.

Yeah.

Sorry, Daniel, go ahead. We're, we're chatting over you.

[laughs] When you say the name, I keep hearing Vanessa Carlton's music in my head.

Oh.

Well, that's good, that's good music, so there's a difference.

Well, I, I think Belinda Carlisle whenever I hear-

Yeah

... Brandi Carlile.

Ooh.

Yeah.

Because it's almost the same exact two female musicians.

If you talk to anybody-

Maybe both lesbians

... if you talk to anybody in the Americana or folk space, they will have something to say or say nothing at all about Brandi Carlile in a way that is very, very telling.

Is she the Steve Aoki of lesbian folk?

People say that.

[laughs]

[laughs]

You're not the first.

Brand- and, but Brandi's not throwing cakes. What's she throwing? Clams?

She's throwing, she's throwing-

We're having bad guts

... she's throwing clam. Her and St. Vincent are throwing clam up there.

Chowder. Who's getting chowdered in the face?

[laughs]

Well, I, all, I was, all that is to say, I was watching it, uh, and the intro where they have the new, you know, where they have the cast members and they, they go and announce all the members on SNL. And whenever there's new people on the season, a bunch of new people, and you can almost tell who's gonna make it and who's not just by their name.

Mm.

Like, they have to have a funny name?

No, no, no, just the, the, it, there's no rhyme or reason to it, no way to explain it, but it's just like, like pornography. You know it when you see it. Like, you see a name, and you're like, "That person is not going to make it in the entertainment industry."

I mean, after I saw that picture of, like, it was Shane Gillis and Miles Teller and, like, a few other guys, and I was just like, "This is the most... This is, like, the racist Mount Rushmore right here."

[laughs]

Like, you don't, you don't wanna be around these guys after they had a case of Bud Lights. Like, they, like, it was after the show. 'Cause, 'cause Shane Gillis did a pretty good job playing Curtis Sliwa in the, in the cold opening. He was, they, they had to represent.

Mm-hmm.

But they brought in... Yeah, I, I, Jason, I do, I think there's-

Are you saying Miles is racist too? Not just Shane?

No, I'm saying, I'm, I'm saying that, that none of them are, actually, but they have a look about them. Like, Miles Teller looks like... I mean, he's, he's famous for Top Gun 2.

Mm-hmm.

Like, it's tough to beat those charges.

Eh. There's also the drum movie.

Was he-

What's it called?

Was he in that?

Drumline 5?

Yeah.

Whiplash.

Yeah. Whiplash. Great movie. Great movie.

Mm-hmm.

And I wonder if he had to learn to play drums Jeremy Allen White style. I feel like he must have.

You gotta go method.

I think he did.

Wonder if he can still slap the skins, though.

He also killed it in Project X.

Psh.

Throw your Xs up.

But I, I think Miles Teller is, um, he's, he represents everything that's going on in the world right now. Like, he's like the, he looks like the king of Austin, Texas.

Mm-hmm. He, it, there's, there's not, um, an injection that he's not taking right now.

Well, he's just, he's the Zoran of Dallas, Houston, Austin-

[laughs]

... and Nashville. You know, you know what I mean? He's like-

I'm the Zoran of Dallas.

[laughs] He just looks like, he looks like every guy you would see in those cities that's like-

He looks like his name should be Buck Mason.

Yeah, his, literally.

[laughs]

He is the human Buck Mason. Yeah, he's the human Buck. That's a good way to, that's a good way to put it.

You gonna get after him this weekend, boys?

There's some, been some interesting names on SNL. But I also don't know any... The only ones I know are the ones that have had careers outside of it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't really know the new players' names. I have to see them on screen.

The problem with the impressions is, like, he's doing the Sliwa impression, but he's not even, like, 1/10 as funny as Sliwa actually is-

I know. I know

... like, on the mic.

I know.

Yeah.

And that, I mean, that's the thing with Trump, is that people can make that funny because it, there's, like, all the, there's, like, all the stuff, like the hand movements and shit, where Curtis is just bars. It's just straight up bars of wild shit.

I feel like if Zoran wasn't running, he would low-key, like, he has a shot. [laughs]

Oh, he d- no, he definitely low-key has a shot. I said that, somebody was saying this, and we talked about it a little bit on the show, but it was, it's like people haven't seen, like, a real New Yorker before.Like that shit is crazy. That's like what people actually that are born and ra- that's like what they act like. That- that's a real portrayal, you know?

Mm-hmm.

And driving around Queens, I like go to a lot of estate sales as my hobby, and driving around real Queens, it's all Silva sides, 100%.

[laughs]

And I literally overheard at this yard sale, these people were being like, they're like, "I'm really scared. I'm really scared."

Yeah, Curtis, yeah Curtis hasn't moved from the 1% total chance of winning-

[laughs]

... that he's been at. He's been floating around one, Zoran's about 90, and Cuomo's around eight.

I was getting my teeth cleaned, uh, this morning. Thank you for noticing.

They do look-

Period

... they do look nice. Did you go to Tend or did you go to a more local practitioner?

I went to a really scary local dentist that could take me quickly and only cost $100. [laughs]

So you, you approach dental work like a drunk tattoo, just whatever's, whatever as you're walking by.

Just some off the, some off the wall.

When you feel it, you go for it.

Yeah, sure.

But my, um, hygienist, who's like a classic kinda like Queens bulldozer lady, and [laughs] she's like-

Barnacle Dyke they call them

... I'm trying to like, you know, warm her up. I'm like, "How are you?" She's like, "Oh, I'm tired. Like I woke up at 5:00 AM. I ha- I had to go vote. I wanted my vote to count." And I'm like, "Okay, let's see where this is gonna go, like before we reveal our a- allegiances." [laughs]

[laughs]

And she's like, "You know, I don't do it for me, I do it for my son." And I was like, "Okay, may- maybe." And then she's like, "But there's all these people."

[laughs]

"They come into the city and they want something for free."

Uh-huh.

And I was like-

Uh, uh, uh

... I'm, you're about to put a lot of sharp objects in my mouth, so I'm not gonna say anything.

Yeah, we're not gonna get, we're not gonna get into the, we're not gonna get into this right now. Your teeth, your teeth do look nice. And how often are you getting them cleaned? Are you, are you keeping up with it? Every six months or is it a little-

Uh, no. I always like, you know, you get the six-month appointment and then they text you the day before, and you're kind of like, "What?"

Mm-hmm.

And then you call them back and you're like, "Could I come in like next week?" And they're like, "You could come in in two months."

Yeah, yeah. There's no in between. Yeah, there's no in between. It, they, they for- they force it down your throat, pause.

It's too bad that this is a audio only podcast, 'cause you are looking great. Skin, skin is on fleek as well.

We'll throw the teeth up on, uh, IG.

Throw the teeth up on IG.

What are you copping at these estate sales? Like how much space do you have? Like what are you doing? What are you buying?

Are you flipping?

The number one thing I buy is records, most of which I flip.

Oh, okay, American Pickers ass. All right, so you're on-

So you're heavy on Discogs, aren't you?

Well, not r- so I used to work for this, uh, online Discog seller called Boom Service. Now they have a store in New York.

Boom Service.

And so I, I would grade and like post all the records for them, so I just know how much records are worth, you know?

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Mm. Mm-hmm.

Just slow, slow your fucking roll, analog man.

[laughs]

Uh, all right, so you get a, you get a rare Afrobeat 12-inch that you know these dorks online want to sample.

Yeah.

And you're, you're take- you're taking it out, you got your loop out, you're looking at it like-

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm

... a fucking Princess Cut.

Mm-hmm.

What do we... What... Obviously we're, we're avoiding warping, scratches. But are, is there, uh, is there less obvious stuff that a, a layman like me would maybe miss and then overpay or underpay for some classic vinyl?

I mean, it's so varied. And it's funny 'cause people always think, like you go to these sales and they'll have all the like, they'll have their like random classic rock records. Like they'll be like, "Those are $10 a record." And then all the like dance 12 inches or whatever, they'll be like, "Oh, those are 50 cents. I don't give a shit."

Mm-hmm.

And it's like, so that's where I'm looking.

Mm-hmm.

So you're paying, you're paying 10 for the Bob Seger, but the fucking white label unreleased is, is 30 cents.

Yeah. I mean, I've had, you know, it's a lot of sorting through trash, but I find it fun, but I have some come ups. I found a disco seven-inch that's worth like 800 bucks the other weekend.

Damn.

Just random.

Damn.

Seven-inch? That's only, how many songs? Like four? We got two on a-

Two

... oh, one on each side?

Two. One on, one on each.

Bro, hell no. I ain't paying... We, I mean, how good's the sample?

This ain't the Lagwagon seven-inch, bro.

Oh, God. [laughs]

These, these are proper tracks.

I, if it ain't Propagandhi seven-inch, I want, I want-

[laughs]

... as many songs as I can get for my money.

I d- I did find this, uh, punk seven-inch, it was called Dad Brains. It was a bunch of middle-aged white guys covering Bad Brains.

I think I've heard of this.

It was only worth, uh, 10 bucks.

What is the greatest come up you've ever had? Like have you had a life-changing come up?

No, 'cause there's not that many records where... I mean, the, that-

I mean, an $800 seven-inch, that's pretty high up there.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. That's true.

That might be my best ever.

All right, American Picker. I love to hear that success story.

Cheers to me.

Okay, but are you able to g- are you a hoard... Like do you, are you able to get rid of them, or do you keep some or do you sample them first and then maybe put them on the, on the site after you use it?

Well, of course.

I tend to-

Let me get a list

... I do like a hoard purge cycle, you know?

This is similar to your fitness plan, I'm assuming.

Yes.

[laughs]

Okay. I know you, I know you bulk, I know you cut.

And then we puke it out.

[laughs]

In the bathroom at Rollo's.

That's like... Okay, so you're saying you go-

I cannot have that much crab after 8:00 PM. It's all coming out

... you go through phases of copping heavily, and then getting rid of all of it in a one fell swoop that feels like, uh, sort of manic.

Other- otherwise, if you do it, if you... Otherwise, it's like it, it takes your whole life over, so you gotta kinda-

Yeah, like I got rid of-

... go move in seasons

... I got rid of 500 records earlier this year.

Hold for applause.

I always keep a pile that's just like to sell.

Mm-hmm.

And sometimes I'll just like drop them off at the record store. I'll be like, "I just found this stack of Beatles records. I know they're worth some money. I don't want them."Drop him off at my friend's record store. He gives me 100 bucks in credit.

Mm-hmm.

Oh, you don't even get cash 'cause you're such a head, you wanna put it back into the business.

He's supporting local biz.

Yeah, exactly. It's my friend's rec- like, for a record store.

How much ...

Mm-hmm.

Okay, so your friend that owns a record store, he lives off of this? That's his job?

The BOOM service guys. No ... Well, they run the online record store.

And it's like a big, it's like a real business.

Yeah, that's a real business, and then the store is a real business, but it's much smaller scale than I think the online one.

Sure, but it's, like, nice to have a, a footprint and, like, storage and shit. Why not?

Yeah, it's just, like, more chill to, like, be in a store.

When the people come over from Japan, they, they have a place to go.

I was gonna say, thank God you're having me on on the eve of Rekordbox-gate.

[laughs]

Uh, Jason, you'll know.

Somebody sent me a message saying, "You guy- you guys need to do 10 minutes on this," and I said, "Probably not gonna happen," but-

Oh, no

... now that you are here, Daniel, this happening.

We're doing the next 40.

Can you, can you guys explain to s-

If you get laid, fast-forward 10 minutes, guys.

[laughs]

Can you, can you guys explain, for a guy who likes guitars, what this means?

Okay, so you know your guitar software, right? [laughs]

Yeah. [laughs] There's, for some reason, you know how everyone uses CDJs to DJ off of?

Of course.

And they're all the same brand, Pioneer.

Yes.

Then there's a proprietary software called Rekordbox.

Yes. And, and Recordbox is sp- Rec- Rekordbox is spelled with a K, correct?

The way you hate, yes. [laughs]

Exactly. Just wanna be clear.

And mostly you can use that just to organize your music into playlists, but-

Mm-hmm

... if you're, like, one of those DJs, you can make little cue points and have all your stuff ready to go for your-

When you, when you say if you're one of those DJs who makes cue points, I feel like that's-

[laughs]

... almost everyone, bro.

[laughs] Not me. I, it's, I like to wing it. It's too easy.

Okay, okay, okay. So do you, do you put a piece of electrical tape over the BPM on your CDJ as well, fucking hotshot? [laughs]

[laughs] No, I just, I hit sync and I let it roll, you know?

Oh, okay. [laughs]

No, I just-

You're, you're so natty with it, you just sync only. Okay.

I've seen Jason using his Rekordbox before, you know, kinda getting ready for a set, but it's, you're saying it's for organizational purposes, but you can also-

Yes

... add in the cue points so-

You could set cue points. You could do loops. There's a lot of ways to really kind of-

It's a helpful piece of software for people in the DJ industry

... give you a, give you a big safety net for a lot of stuff and make it a little too easy.

And Daniel's saying, "I'm so faded. I don't give a fuck. I'm just gonna let this shit rock."

Mm-hmm.

"I don't care what happens."

He doesn't even have his MP3s titled. He has to go by the ear. It's all white labels on his laptop.

[laughs] White label. People-

Oh, yeah. I know this cut

... looking over my shoulder, seeing what I'm playing.

Yeah, yeah.

Crazy.

Mm-hmm.

Okay, so Rekordbox ... Okay, so-

Okay

... so Rekordbox is the software.

It's a necessary evil to use CDJs for the most part.

And quick, quick question for both of you. Has there been any competition that has flared up and tried to go toe-to-toe with the Rekordbox-

No

... industrial complex? Wow, okay.

Unless you're, like, a s- a scratchin' DJ, you might use Serato or Traktor, but not for, you know.

Shout-out to all my Traktor users, the few, the proud.

Yeah, in, in order to, like, put music-

On the-

... you know, organize music on playlists and play it on your CDJ, you have to use this software.

Okay.

It's like, that's it.

They released some update, basically-

Mm-hmm

... where you needed to have the most recent version of Rekordbox, like, on your computer, and if you didn't and you plugged in your USBs, all your shit got wiped.

[laughs]

For some people it was all their playlists, but for some people it was literally all the music on their USBs. So, like, every big DJ on Monday was just like, "What the fuck?"

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Oh, no. So the guy playing ... Okay, so you get to your set at the day party and the crowd's going fucking crazy, and you plug your fucking U- USB in, and there's just nothing there.

Nothing.

Kleinon Music has nothing-

[laughs]

... on their, on their Chrome Hearts Versace USB sticks.

Best case scenario, you have 20,000 unorganized songs that you kinda have to-

Yeah.

Let me ask, let me ask you guys a question then. If this happened to you, what, what is the, what do you ... Do you just throw your hands up and say, "Sorry," put a Spotify playlist on, like, "There's nothing we can do here," or is there a way to sort through those files in real time and still keep the crowd jumping?

I've had to do it, like, I've played at some random gigs where they had, like, the Denon CDJs, and I was like, "The fuck?"

[laughs]

And then you plug in, and it just is a list of all the songs on your thing, like, as file names, and I have, like, yeah, 20,000 songs on there.

Where, where are you playing at? What r- ratty-ass Ridgewood spot got the Denon CDJs, bro?

[laughs]

That happened a long time ago at a bar in New York. [laughs]

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Well, I mean, somebody, somebody like him, like we were saying before, somebody like him who doesn't even, you know, add tags and cue points and all that stuff, he knows all of the tracks that he has. He... So it'll just be like playing with vinyl. You, you pick-

Yeah

... put a record up. It's a white label. You put it on the platter, you hit play, and then this, this song starts. You're like, "Oh, I know what that song is. I know the, the general tempo of it." And then you decide if this is gonna work or not work with the song that's currently playing, and you keep doing that until it's good. He could do that, no problem. I would be sweating like a whore in church.

[laughs]

And then most other current DJs would have to literally just like, "I'm done. I can't." Like, "This is not..." Unless they have all the little bells and whistles set up-

Yeah, yeah

... ahead of time, they're, they're crippled, you know?

This did make it to my Twitter feed, though. I saw a lot of people talking about this, and it's pretty funny. It's pretty funny overall because I feel like if you own the marketplace like that, you can't... There's no room for error. If every single... If you are the industry standard, you can't throw an update out and there be a bug.

But, but also Record Box, ever since I've started u- ever since I've used it for, you know, a, a l- 10 years at least, has always had a reputation of being-

Everyone hates it

... very buggy.

Yeah.

Every time you update it, some weird shit happens. Nobody... It's one of those soft- pieces of software that everyone says like, "Do not update it. It'll..." You know, 50%-

I don't wanna-

... chance it's just gonna, like, fuck your weekend up if you update the software

I, I don't wanna F you guys in the industry, but I'm in San Francisco right now. I mean, I think we could put our brains together. Maybe we could get something started now. This, maybe this is-

Hmm

... I could talk to a few engineers and see if we can get our own-

Is it too big to fail? We'll see. Have you considered using AI technology? This is a good idea.

Gone Box is gonna hit the market.

[laughs]

And, and Daniel, obviously, like, you're not representing a name, but we'll give you a percentage of the, of the, you know-

All right.

It's gonna be super o- open source, Daniel.

Super open source.

So if you have any thoughts. Like, we're trying to be really nimble on this.

I'm do- I'll consult at least.

Okay, yeah.

I would love to... I need to go check out DJ Reddit on this one, see what, see what's really cracking.

We have a s- we have a limited equity package-

[laughs]

... that we will present to you.

Yeah. Whatever you do, under no circumstances go to DJ Reddit. [laughs]

What is the DJ? What is the DJ? Like, what is it? R/what?

Well, there's... I mean, there's a million for every, like, possible corner stuff.

Of course, of course.

But the one that I've had the most interaction with is R/aves, like raves.

[laughs]

And that's a New York specific-

Okay

... Discord/Reddit.

Do they fuck with you? Do they fuck with you or nah?

Well, they make fun of me because I occasionally post screenshots of people writing about me on it.

[laughs] Okay.

Okay.

So you're, you're poking the, you're poking the bull.

Are you... So you're not, you're not using this... You're not using R/aves anonymously. You are posting as-

No, I'm j- I'm just a lur- I just lurk. I just go on, like, twice a year, search my name.

Okay. Okay.

And then screenshot.

Screenshot.

Okay, and then... Okay.

And there's one guy who-

[laughs]

... if you search my name on, uh, R/aves, he has called me not once, not twice, but like 10 times, he calls me Community Hole because I [laughs] DJ too much in New York.

[laughs] Okay.

And it's like-

So you're, you're the no loads refused of, of, of the lot radio circuit.

I guess so. It just seems really, like, specific. And to just, like, do it... And then if you search Community Hole, it's just him talking about me.

[laughs]

He's not using it as a general catchall for DJs.

He's never said Community Hole about anyone or anything other than the, the prolific DJ schedule of, of you.

Just me.

That seems like a ter-

Okay

... that seems like a term that if you use, you would use often in many realms.

[laughs]

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

No.

I plan to try it out this afternoon with my wife.

Applying that to the DJ homie.

Babe, you're being such a community hole.

[laughs]

Stop.

What do you mean by that? I think you know exactly what I mean by that.

[laughs]

I'm not gonna explain this to you again.

[laughs]

I'm not gonna explain this to you again.

It's not my job to do the work.

[laughs]

[laughs] And you're over here on Reddit like, "Actually, I wish I could DJ more gigs. You know, I, I was, I was hoping to get a few more on the calendar this month. I didn't think I was giving community hole." I mean, you're not, you're not playing five nights a week, are you?

No.

What do they expect you to do to earn money? This is your job. That's what you have to do to earn money. I don't really understand what they-

Thank you.

Okay.

Finally.

Well, that's why we have R/estatesales.

[laughs]

Yeah, you can only... You only come up on the record so often.

Mm-hmm.

That's true. You have to keep it consistent. Well, where, where do you DJ in New York most often? 'Cause I feel like every time I talk to somebody like you, they tell me about some shit I've never heard of before.

Uh, I DJ a lot at, like, Basement, Public Records.

Oh, come on, blow my mind, bro. I know this shit. Even I know this shit.

[laughs]

Come on, give me some real-

New York's hottest club is...

Yeah, give me some real for the heads stuff.

I'm, I, I'm gonna be real with you guys. I've been a little checked out this year because, you know, I'm transitioning to, uh, neo-folk, uh, ambient shoegaze.

Congratulations on your transition. That's really brave.

Thank you.

Mm.

And I, I will de-transition eventually when...

[laughs]

'Cause I've already realized that, like, [laughs] you make s- playing live shows is a thousand times more work, and you make a fraction of the money.

That's right. But it's so enriching. It's so soul nourishing, right?

Yes.

Where you get to bring all those extra cables, and then people are waiting for you to tune something.

Why did you decide to, why did you decide to do this? Were you just fucking fed up with the DJ industry and all those assholes on R/ave?

What I really did it was so that I could take a year, get a six-pack, and then come back as a shirtless DJ-

[laughs]

... and then have my career finally take off.

Yeah. They say the, the, the, the easiest way to make a million dollars is be rich already. You know, start at the start. You already know how to DJ. Six-pack, much more difficult.

How close to- how close are we to these goals? Has DC-10 called you already? Like, where, where is it-

We got-

... where is it landing?

We got a little... We gotta do... skip a few more meals, I'm thinking per, per week.

[laughs]

Okay. All right. You're, you're telling me less pierogis would help with your goals.

[laughs] Um-

Got it

... I don't know. You just saw... It, it just kinda snowballed, where it was like I started making the album, and then I thought that the only way to get people to, like, actually listen to it was to stop, like, shouting about being a DJ every weekend. And I do actually think that kinda worked.

Mm.

Really?

Mm.

Yes.

Was this like a... Wh- So do you think that... Was this, like, a strategy you set out with, or you realized this during the process?

Uh, I realized it, like, at the end of last year. I was like, "I'm not gonna put out any DJ mixes, no techno tracks, like, nothing. Just only think of me as like-

Mm

... your emo" [laughs]

Okay, so you... So you heard the Addison Rae album and you said, "I gotta get in the stu. I gotta get my, my ambient '90s ray of light trip hop on"?

Yeah. We gotta make some, you know, sad music for lonely men so they don't, uh, become incels.

Mm.

Okay. So you're, you're saying you made the gooning soundtrack, is what you're saying?

Abso- absolutely. I... Many have said it.

Uh, you're-

[laughs]

[laughs]

Once again, many have said it.

Okay. Do you think... I, I was trying to think before, you know, people are always mentioning recession indicators and things like that, but this style of music, to me, is reminiscent of a time where maybe, you know, Bill Clinton was in office or, you know, early George Dub. Is this an economic boom indicator and not a recession indicator?

Hmm.

Well, isn't that... It's right before... We're, we're standing at the edge of a cliff.

Okay.

Much like, uh, that time.

Which is actually track seven on the album, Rest Here.

[laughs]

[laughs]

Okay. Jason, you could probably relate to this. When we started, like, being a DJ was cool. It was a cool thing-

[laughs]

... to say. If you were just like-

Uh-huh.

If you said that to someone, they'd be like, "Oh, whoa. Like, what does that even mean? Like, that's cool."

People smiled versus frowning now. People nowadays, they go, "Oh."

And if you, like, say that, have to say that to your aunt-

[laughs]

... they're like, "What do you do?" You're like, "I'm a DJ." They're like, "Oh, okay. I know what that is."

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

And now, there were no cool bands when I started DJing, which is probably why I started DJing, 'cause it was just like-

I-

... you know?

Look, you're wrong, but I'm... I... Whatever, whatever year you're talking about, you ever heard of a little thing called Block Party? Like, when did you start, big dog?

[laughs]

Just as that was kind of... We were coming out of that.

Oh, so okay. So you're just gonna... It's Interpol erasure is what we're gonna- that's what we're gonna do here?

So what year? What year?

We're talking, like, '09, o- like, '10.

Bro, you're, you're crazy.

It's not the best-

Oh, you don't like Vampire Weekend? Okay. I thought you were cool.

[laughs] That's a low, a low moment. [laughs]

[laughs]

I like them, but it's not, like-

I, I understand what you're saying

... ugh.

I just think that it's funny that you guys say this, because I do... I, I mean, I do remember what you're saying. I just feel like I didn't realize that that would push someone to be a DJ, you know what I mean? Being like, "Oh, this shit all sucks. I'm just gonna DJ. That's better and cooler."

So you were like, "This Passion Pit, Dirty Projectors isn't doing it for me. I need to get into the stu. I need to get my Merriweather Post Pavilion on."

Yeah, you liar. I know you had the Grizzly Bear tablature out on your bed learn- [laughs]

[laughs]

I'm like-

I don't know. It's like I could- I was a drummer. I couldn't find a cool band to join.

You're playing the XX, falling asleep.

Yeah. Mid.

[laughs]

Mid, uh, mid music.

I didn't know, I didn't know you were a dr- I didn't know you were a drummer. Are you, are you still nasty with the skins? You got a full kit somewhere?

Uh, no. I took some lessons earlier this year to try to, like, get it back, and it, it was a little rough.

Really?

Not, not that good.

Huh.

Do you th- do you think that you or other... maybe do other people around you ever call you a musical hater?

A musical hater?

Just, like, very opinionated and an of- often a hater, often poo-pooing-

[laughs]

... people's musical choices and in, in bands they enjoy.

No. I think I mostly... I like most music.

Mm.

Well, that must be nice. I wish I liked mo-

I'm positive. Yeah.

I wish I liked more music. The kinda shit-

In the presence of a true hater-

[laughs] No, this should... No, no

... the shit never-

Well, I was just, I w- I was just from, from two haters to you, I was getting... You know, my spidey sense was going off when you were talking about these other bands and these other acts. I was like, "Oh, maybe we have a bro..." Not necessarily a hater, but maybe someone who's not afraid of sharing their opinions f- positive or negative.

I'll share my... I, I, I can share my opinions about techno. How much time do you guys have?

[laughs]

I'm only comfortable in the privacy of an extremely popular podcast sharing my actual opinions.

[laughs] There's no reason to do that with your friends at a bar, because that's not gonna really get your followers up.

But what do you listen... If you're, if you're left to your own devices, you're not listening to all this freak shit at home. You're, you're normal, right?

I'm listening to, like, indie rock [laughs] or, like, you know, like-

My man. Okay

... folk music. Like, Low-

You're listening to Wilco, uh, Will-

Hell yeah

... Wilco in the bathtub? Okay.

Oh, wow, I didn't know we had so much in common. I thought you were only into your little weird basement stuff, but you're-

We got fitness and Wilco.

That's all I need.

You probably maintain a healthy diet m- of vegetables as well, huh, Daniel?

[laughs] Oh, yeah.

Okay. [laughs]

Gotta get our fiber.

Oh.

[laughs]

So what instruments can you play then? Just drums, or y- you got a Telecaster in there, a little Strat?

Well, I learned bass for the live show for the tour for this album. I had never played, and I was putting together the live show, and I was just kinda standing in front of the computer, and I was like, "This is boring as fuck."

Mm-hmm.

And so I was just like... I started taking bass lessons, like-

Daddy needs to slap

... four months ago.

'Cause I wondered, I, I wonder what Carlos D has been doing, and you're saying he's been teaching you how to play bass-

Yeah

... is what you're saying.

Bass is fun to play too.

How?

And it, it's good. You're able to... It's not super-duper hard, depending on what you're playing. And then, you know, you're not getting your Les Claypool on up there.

Like drums, like, the dumber you are, the better you are at it.

[laughs]'Cause it's not, it's not involving the mental, it's involving the physical

What's the fa- what's the famous bass player that looks like Jason a little bit? The real tall guy that's like, he plays with John Mayer. He's like the bass player. I can't think of his fucking name.

Mm.

It's like Pablo or some- it's a funny name. But I, he always struck me as smart, but now I'm rethinking everything.

'Cause you just gotta sit there, you know, locked in.

Pino Palladino?

Yeah, the GOAT. He's the g- he's the all-time best bass player is what they say.

Really? Born in '57, Jesus.

He, he really be slapping it. All right, so, so you learned to play bass. Daniel, how confident do you feel in your slapping at this point?

I can play all the songs from the album.

Okay, but can-

[laughs]

But can you play any, like, Third Eye Blind covers or anything? Like what-

I can play all the songs from the album.

Okay.

Mm.

Can you do it while you're fucked up, though?

I haven't tried.

Well, that's something you should maybe test out before you hit the road.

The 2C happens after the set nowadays, Chris.

You know, as a seasoned DJ, I'm pretty, like, you know, I'm immune to the free drinks. We just have one or two max.

How do you have that self-control, though?

I got... You, you gotta be born with it. [laughs]

I mean, yeah, I mean, it's true. It's true. Like, some people, some people can eat two cookies out of the bag. You hand Chris the bag of cookies, not as easy to have just two.

Not as easy. What, what... When are you going on, when does XO tour life start?

Like, Miami, LA next week. I'm opening for Chanel Beads in Miami, which should be interesting.

I would love to see who comes to see you and Chanel Beads in South Beach. That is... Is this-

Yeah

... is this at a hotel ultra lounge? Like, where is the show happening?

Well, you know Space, the, like, mega club?

Yes.

They have, like, a venue-

Oh

... underneath.

They have a non-binary venue where-

Yes

... this kind of shit can happen. [laughs]

So in many ways, we're playing at Space.

[laughs] Okay, so this is, like, the Space annex of sorts?

Yes, it's called The Ground.

God, goddammit.

I gotta say-

Okay, does it-

... you and Chanel Beads, it feels like it's too cool of a thing to be attached to Space. No shade to Space.

I actually, Space is my favorite club. [laughs]

Okay, okay.

[laughs]

I mean, just in term- I, I don't know what their, their bookings are nowadays, but it feels a little more of, like, a John Somebody-

Yes, but it's not-

... kind of vibe. You know what I mean?

Have you ever been?

I have, yes.

I don't know, there's something about, it's like Berghain for, like, cheesy straight people in s- South Beach. Like, you go there, and at, like, 7:00 in the morning-

When does the good stuff start?

... these South Beach girls getting absolutely blasted with a CO2 cannon-

[laughs]

... to, like, John Summit. And there's just something really, like, beautiful about it.

[laughs]

I really wanna go after I started getting, I started getting videos on Reels of girls waking up at 5:00 AM to get ready to go to Space. And I was like, "Oh, this is twisted. This is more..." Like, I didn't know regular people did this.

I thought I was a music lover, you know what I mean?

Yeah, right. All right, so, all right, so you're playing with... You're opening Sh- Chanel Beads in, in Miami. Is it just you up there with a bass?

Uh, no, and then I have a guitarist, Taron, who's sick with it.

[laughs]

Very good, has a crazy effects board. Makes me look a lot better, because you can only do so much with the bass.

Mm-hmm.

So Taron's hitting the road. What is the transportation for this? This is airplanes.

Airplanes.

Okay.

I'm still coming from DJ life. Like, I'm not getting in a van.

How much m-

Yeah

... how much money do you think you're gonna lose on this?

[laughs] Between the two shows, not including the thousands of dollars I invested into the equipment for the live show, let's call it a cool thousand dollars. [laughs]

Okay. [laughs]

All right, so we're only losing a stack on the shows, but you're saying you invested in some gear that you need to pull this off that's, uh, setting us back. Guitar Center-

He doesn't wanna be a guy who just has a- him and his laptop and a bass, you know? It's gonna look-

No, no, I appreciate the... I think that that is boring as hell, and I think it's cool to make it something.

And I got my pedal board. Like, if I'm gonna live out my rock fantasy, like, let's do it.

I agree.

Okay.

I agree.

So on the, on the realm of rock fantasies, who's up there in the, in the Mount Rockmore for you? 'Cause right now you kinda have, like, a, a suicidal tendencies kind of look to you.

Uh-huh.

So w- you know, what, what- [laughs]

Uh-huh

... what direction? Who are these rock gods that you really wanna emulate?

Be careful. Be careful.

[laughs] Title Fight. [laughs]

[laughs] Pause.

Wilco.

Okay.

Okay, we got War- we got War Zone, Wilco, Title Fight, uh-

Okay. Okay

... all right. Um-

Ho- actually, How Long Gone was gonna be at Wilco's Mexico Jamboree in January. Come on down.

The Sky Blue Sky Festival. We're, it's us, Wilco, Jayhawks, Waxahatchee, MJ Lenderman. We could go on and-

All right

... you can-

Tickets on sale now.

Let me get that list. [laughs]

[laughs]

Uh, unfortunately there's no list available, because it is an all-inclusive package at the Hard Rock Hotel.

It's a super tight-

But-

Yeah, you-

Fair

... you gotta stay on prem- on premises

... if you wanna play bass for someone, I'm sure they need it. You can't play pedal steel, right?

Uh, not yet. Give me three months.

Okay. [laughs] Great.

You'll, yeah-

Great

... you'll, you'll buy one tomorrow somewhere in Queens.

Yeah. Who, who are your, who are your... But, like, currently, like, if you were to choose some sort of contemporaries in the rock space, are you more of, like, a Dijon McGee guy, or are you like, "That stuff is actually for pussies, I like-"

I like Olivia Dean.

Yeah. Song of the year.

I like both. Like, you know, the greater swag universe-

[laughs]

... I, I'm here for it, the swagiverse.

Mm-hmm.

Same.

Uh, and my friend, like, plays guitar in McGee, Andrew, and, like, that got me into that stuff.

Mm-hmm.

I think all that stuff is really cool and, like, have listened to it many, many times.

I think it's really cool how popular it is for what it actually sounds like, if that makes sense.

Yeah.

Like, when, when something like that gets really popular... Obviously Justin Bieber is now really pushing that agenda even further. But I'm always like, oh, maybe, you know, maybe people have better taste than I think, even though it's still, like, a s- like, McGee should not be that big. McGee should not be that... It, it's like, it's not the easiest thing to like.

No.

Mm.

And for all, like-As much as streaming and whatever, and like virality in music has obviously destroyed like everything, it also allows for random shit like that to suddenly blow the fuck up.

Sure.

Like there's a Grouper track with like a billion streams, which is like as-

[laughs]

... esoteric of music as you could get.

I saw people talking about like, "It's crazy that Fleetwood Mac is viral." You know, talking about Rumors being-

[laughs]

But I'm like, guys, Fleetwood M- Fleetwood Mac's kind of an all-timer. Like no one ever isn't talking about Fleetwood Mac.

Fleetwood Mac Rumors probably top 10 most records sold of all time. They're like, "Damn, this shit's going viral, like low-key."

It's on TikTok.

This indie al- this indie album is really happening. Do you know they had broke up, actually?

[laughs]

What do you, what do you think about this Headache and Vegan record? Have you, are you familiar with this?

I haven't heard it. I've heard some-

If I go to Car Culture Radio on Spotify, it's all over there.

Yeah. I think that tracks, but I haven't really listened to it.

Mm-hmm.

As a vegan h- as a vegan-head, I'm pretty disappointed by it.

Okay. So don't listen to it, or?

The Vegan album, The Vegan, The Vegan album that came out like, whatever, a couple years ago at this point, Jason.

Mm-hmm.

All-timer. It's so good.

That's their Tusk?

[laughs]

It's, it's his Tusk. Yeah, it's his Tusk. This, this is a little more-

Th- this I've heard.

What would you-

Well, I mean, like the, the beats are not unlike some of your beats on, on the Car Culture record.

Yeah.

Trip hoppy kind of samples and, and drum loops and things like that. But I, I'm not positive, but I think somebody said that it ha- it has like this spoken word energy to it, which is very kind of like '90s, like Moby, Underworld kind of thing.

It's, yeah, it's not i- it's not spoken word energy, it's straight up spoken word.

Got it.

Like that, that is what it is.

We're at a poetry slam.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, but it has like a British, like the movie Snatch-like.

That's true. Yeah

... you know, that kind of energy to it. Like, it's talking to you in a way where it's like delivering the monologue of like a Guy Ritchie movie. Like, it feels like that a little bit. But I, I think I heard that it's all AI generated, the whole spoken word part about it. And to me, as soon as I heard that, it just, it took me out of it for whatever reason. And now I just... Without that, it's nothing. Without the, the spoken word, it's just drums.

That's why I listen to Olivia Dean, big dog. That's what you, that's what I'm saying. That's real talent right there.

I got-

There's no computers in sight.

I got so mad the other day. A friend, an acquaintance, we're downgrading it to acquaintance.

[laughs]

They were like, "I love all the like AI knight pictures you've been doing." And I was like, you know-

[laughs]

... all the press photos in the knight armor, and I was like, "Those are not AI. That's blood, sweat, and tears. That's me on Brighton Beach in 95-degree weather, sweating my balls off in a suit of armor to get this photo."

Okay. So then d- your friend says, "Why would you do that when there's AI?"

Yeah, and it was like on the EP cover, we had all this like, I had all this denim embroidered to be the like sticker on the vinyl.

Mm-hmm.

And everyone just assumed that was AI, and I was like, "No, I went to an embroiderer."

Mm-hmm.

"I did that."

You're a real head, bro. You're a real head, brother. There's very few of us left, fam. It's, there's only a few real heads left. We gotta stay strong.

I know.

Doing it the right way, supporting local artisans.

What label, what label is this record, or what label is this record on?

It's a Canadian label, so I don't know if you'd interact with it.

Oh, you don't think I know... Oh, b- bitch.

[laughs]

You wanna talk about arts and crafts? How much time do you have? Okay. You wanna talk about, you wanna talk about dine alone? I got, I got d- I got hours.

All right.

Speaking of dining alone, what do you think about Noodle Pudding? We were talking about it the last episode. Are you privy to this restaurant in Brooklyn?

Not just the food. It's a specific restaurant?

Yeah, the restaurant is called Noodle Pudding, which I learned, I Googled it, and it's kugel, is what... It's another word for kugel, the, the Jewish-

That's what we call it in the, in the Jewish faith.

Okay. So there's an Italian restaurant in Brooklyn called Noodle Pudding that's like a neighborhood-y spot that many people love.

I haven't been. I've been kind of checked out. I only eat at the diner that's underneath my house, and then this one Italian restaurant where like, it's like a recent Italian immigrant runs it, and he's like this old lecherous man, and he kind of like sexually harasses all the girls that go there, but in like a charming, fun way.

[laughs]

Mm-hmm. That's what Jason thinks he's doing too.

[laughs]

Is the, is the, um-

I'm gonna touch the small of your back in a fun, kind of old Italian guy way.

Oh, you want chesta, you say?

No, he was... He made some weird broken English joke about it. He was like, "I have the Epstein files," [laughs] or something.

[laughs]

"I have a the Epstein files."

Okay, I'm back.

[laughs]

I'm back. Take my money.

And we were with a, we were with a friend.

Okay.

It was me, actually Brian Pinheiro, your former not to deadname him, DJ Python was with me.

[laughs]

And we were with our [laughs] friend who, um, is a very beautiful woman.

Yeah.

Oh, we can't get, oh, we can't get her name. We can get, we can get DJ Python, but we can't get-

We're, we're gatekeeping that, obviously. [laughs]

Well, I know you two, I know you two went home together, and she went home alone, so I ain't worried about that.

[laughs]

[laughs]

And she was like, "I want the gnocchi, but I wanna see if they'll put chicken in it." And we were like, "He's Italian. He's not gonna put chicken in the gnocchi for you. He's not gonna make you chicken gnocchi-"

[laughs] Chi-

"... Alfredo."

Chicken gnocchi. [laughs]

Like, he's gonna get so mad. And of course she orders it, and he's like, "Of course, no problem."

[laughs]

And I was like, "If I had ordered that, he would have screamed at me."

Yeah, it's called pretty privilege. You should-

You can have your gnocchi-

... look into it

... with however much light, lean protein you would like

Have you seen this guy? There's a guy on, um... Jason, actually you should try this. There's a guy on Love is Blind, and he got p- he got, he went viral for making a chicken and Crystal Light smoothie every day.

Crystal... Oh, I think I've seen this like on, in like bodybuilder TikTok.

Crystal Light, the powder, and chicken in a, in like a Ninja blender, and he would just guzzle it for protein purposes.

[sighs]

And-

That's fucking crazy

... I, I can't think-

We gotta try it.

[laughs]

I, Jason, I think you should... Jason, maybe you could make like a high-end version somehow.

It's like ch- a Bing cherry reduction, like-

Ooh, Bing

... chicken glaze.

But why, I wanna know why Crystal Light.

Uh, I think because he's just like a guy from Denver.

It's just like a flavor that he... So, I mean, I could, we, I could use Drip Drop, Liquid IV.

Yeah, you could, you could use-

Some Magna apple protein-

Yeah, I think you could do-

... magnesium powder withMy sous vide chicken breast

But I think if you got a, I think if you got a very, a, a very nice farm-raised, you know, high-end breast and then mixed it with a more artisanal powder-

Mm-hmm

... it could yield, it could yield more positive results. That's all I'm saying.

Like a reishi powder.

Mm.

[laughs]

But Crystal Light is like what my mom... I mean, that's like-

My houjicha powder. But I wanna know, like what, what's wrong with just eating the chicken breast?

I think it's a d- I think it's a delivery system. It's a speed thing.

Fasting.

I think you get it down... It's not about enjoying, it's about optimizing. You know, you're a Huberman guy, you know this. [laughs]

Yeah, well, I guess on this, Dan, you, uh, Daniel, you mentioned gotta get your fiber. Are you in a, are you in part of the post-protein pro-fiber movement going on right now?

I've been a little post-protein. I've been doing, uh, what some people call intuitive eating. [laughs]

Same. What is that exactly? Is that just a regular intuitive eating? It is what it sounds like?

When I'm hungry, I eat.

Kind of. It was like-

You don't listen to your body, do you?

You gotta listen to your body. [laughs] It keeps the score.

[laughs] Period.

I go through these phases where I'm very like meal prep, you know, I'm eating my ground turkey, my kale.

Mm-hmm.

And you know, I'm like, I have to have my whatever, 190 grams of protein per day, da, da, da.

Mm-hmm.

But then it's like, if I get into like a work or tour mode sometimes, you know, you can't keep it up.

Yeah.

And I was so... Things were so intense the last couple months that I just wasn't really eating that much at all. Like, I was eating like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and like a bodega sandwich, like that was all I would eat in a day. And then coming out of that I was like, okay, well, you know, be easy on yourself. You don't have to go straight into the ground turkey. Just like get back to like eating some normal food. And I was kind of like, maybe I'm not as hungry as I thought I was.

Mm.

Like that if somehow if I, you know, am not careful, I'm gonna eat like 5,000 calories a day 'cause I'm just like this insane hungry guy. And so I just kind of have been eating whatever I want whenever I want, and it's really like, actually way less calories than-

Mm

... I thought it was.

And y- And when you... And you're allowing, whenever you, whatever it is that you want, you either make that or you track it down, and it doesn't matter how-

Well, it's, it's not the same as just-

... esoteric it is?

No. And it's not the same as just being like, obviously eating whatever I want whenever I want. I would just eat like Chinese food from the place across, like down the street from me every day, three meals a day because like-

[laughs]

What could... It's more just being like, I ate something like kind of bad for lunch. Maybe I should just have like a little salad or a protein bar for dinner and just like-

Right

... call it.

So you-

Sure. Okay. So you have, when you have, when you have three Sprinkles cupcakes for lunch, you go salad for dinner.

You wake up one day and you're like, "I'm, I'm gonna have just miso soup for breakfast, lunch, and dinner today, 'cause that's what my body is yearning for."

Yeah.

And then the next day you'll have more calories. Double smash burger? Whoa.

Whoa.

This is new, so let's, let's check back in. I'll give you guys updates.

Okay.

I'll send you, uh, shirtless pics every week or s-

[laughs]

... for the next couple months.

Yeah. Please. And they bet- they better not be AI either. Don't send me none of them AI-

Yeah

... pictures.

I need before and after with the armor and without.

Oh.

[laughs]

Jason, you're nasty. You nasty, man.

You put the mail in chain mail, baby.

[laughs] Oh, Jesus. All right. So Dan, when's... Is the album out now?

Album's out. It came out about a month ago.

Album is out now. It's in stores everywhere, wherever you stream. And when-

I quite like it

... when do you hit the road?

Thank you.

It's very good.

When do you hit the road with DeBees?

Uh, well, I'm just opening for them in Miami. That'll be the 13th, and then LA is the 14th.

At friend of the show Stevie's Silverlake Lounge show.

Oh, nice.

Stevie.

Yes.

Unfortunately, I'm gonna be in New York when you're in LA, otherwise I would be up in there.

I think that happens almost every time.

Ships in the night, brother man.

Okay. And then, and then you're doing your own tour.

Well, I'm always just DJing.

Yeah, but I'm, I'm not talking, I'm not talking about DJing. I'm talking about the-

You're always at Basement doing something

... the techniques and the denons. I'm talking about the base.

The live show.

Yeah.

Uh, then I'm going to Europe in December. We're gonna do Italy and the UK, maybe hit some Scandinavian countries. I know the-

Mm-hmm

... those are your people.

My people. My people. Shout out to all my Stockholmes.

Do a day, do a poolside set at Lanzerhof.

Nobody can dance 'cause they can't expend that energy when they haven't eaten in a week.

[laughs]

Um-

No, this is some... There's, there's some good crossover here. I like that.

There's some good crossover. All right.

In terms of the fasting and your music. Daniel, also send me, send me the record so I can put it on the end of this episode, okay?

Okay. You, you want me to express overnight the vinyl?

No, I'm good. MP320, MP3 or higher please.

I need the wavs, but we'll talk later. Thank you, Daniel, for joining us.

All right. [laughs] Later.

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