869. - Shlohmo

[upbeat music] How Long Gone, super excited. Uh, Jason Winter is hit in money-making Manhattan. The leaves are yellow and brown, they're all over the ground. I have to wear a jacket and a sweatshirt, and I cannot wait to get to LA tomorrow. Do you think I should bring shorts for the pool? How are we looking?

Uh, I think it's gonna dip down a little bit tomorrow into the 70s, unfortunately.

Okay. [laughs]

So...

So I can thug it out at the pool, you're saying. For a, a, a, r- for a real dipper-

[laughs]

... it's gonna be fine.

A real dipper like yourself, I'm not worried about. It'd, it'd be... 'Cause, like, the last few days it's been, you know, 80, a mid 80s.

Yeah.

It's quite a... Today it's gonna be a high of 81.

Okay.

So, yeah, I was just talking to our friend Ryland about this, about how, you know... He w- he mentioned the last episode was, like, this is a great, like, Q4 episode-

[laughs]

... of just, you know, [laughs] you know, just slowing the gears down-

[laughs]

... taking stock of the year. Not a ton happening in the e- inbox. And I was saying, like, you know, the, for the, un- until January 1, expect a lot of weather chat on this, on this podcast.

Well, I, you know, I saw somebody say, I saw somebody say that we, we, we make weather chat sound so bad, but it actually affects every person in the world. What else can you-

[laughs]

What else can you say does that?

Wait, what do you mean make it sound so bad?

Like, we just act like that's the lowest form of conversation, and it's-

Oh

... and, and the reality is, it do- it touches everyone's lives. Like, there's gonna be 15 Manosphere articles that no one's gonna care about, but the weather-

Mm

... that touches everyone. And when you think about it that way, it puts it into a nice perspective.

Weather is, is more like a Humanosphere.

Exactly.

It's not just the fellas.

[laughs]

It affects ladies too? That's what you're saying?

Are you part of the Humanosphere? Do you identify as... [laughs]

[laughs] Yeah, I'm a little, I'm a little different. I'm a, a member of the Humanosphere.

[laughs]

I don't really see John Dar.

Oh, God.

Is that how you say the word right? I've never said it out loud. John Dar?

Don't, yeah, don't try it again. You're, you're gonna get it, but I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna do that on the mic. Yeah, and I was like, you know, that, that r- I saw a picture of Ryland doing some pull-ups, and I didn't... He was packing some guns that I didn't realize he had, and I, I wanted to... I, I, I don't have those, so it was nice to see them on someone.

Okay. When you say guns, are you... That's often referred to the bicep area.

Yeah, the biceps were looking... I mean, for a guy that sits around and plays guitar all day, I was like, "Damn, bro, I don't know how much s- strumming you're doing."

Damn, I hope his chick's listening to this right now. He's about to get lucky tonight.

I th- but I was like, uh, he was popping out of his, his T. I got, and I was, I just was like, damn, sometimes your friends have it like that and you don't even know it.

Well, when you look at yourself in the mirror while you're in the pull-up position-

I try not to. [laughs] I try not to, but yeah.

So my pull-up bar-

Yeah

... famously outside, and it's next to a window, so I'm able to sort of see the definition of my body through the glare that it creates just depending on what time-

Mm-hmm

... of day it is. And-

Mm-hmm

... it'll, it'll make you, in that particular position, where if you have a wide grip-

Grip, mm-hmm

... and, you know, depending on overhand or underhand whatever, your, your body will transform into a shape that it should not look like in, in the reflection.

So you're saying that, you're saying that the wide grip pull-up position is flattering to the bicep?

To, for the whole upper, upper body. The sh- I mean-

So, 'cause the traps will be popping-

... the lats, the traps

... the lats, everything's out

... the shoul-

Okay.

Yeah, it makes, it makes the shoulder... Is that, is that the oblique?

So you're saying, so are you saying that Ryland cheated with this photo, or are you saying that it's a bit of mix of both maybe?

I think it's a mix of both. I think-

Okay

... I don't think anyone is cheating when they are doing pull-ups.

[laughs]

But you know, it, but it, it's-

Well, you are if you have a rubber band around your leg, but otherwise-

Yeah, he-

... no

... he's not, he's not FaceTuning. He's not, [laughs] he's not doing a, you know, there's no lines on the pull-up bar where it's moving to make his ass fatter and his biceps bulgier. But, you know, we all know our angles. Every model knows the right position to be positioned in. And some of us-

Sure

... and let's pour one out for those of us who have no angles at all.

Yeah, that's, I mean, that's... [laughs] As I think about our, [laughs] as I think about our impending GQ Man of the Year hosting duties, I was-

Mm

... literally considering how I have no angle. And, um, that-

Really?

Well, I mean, I think it's funny when so- when some people are like, "Get my left side." I'm like, I don't... I know my shit is... I know I got... You know, when people do those, you know, you can get those tests done where it's like your eyelid's droopy, this shit's off, this is uneven.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

I don't, I don't need a test to tell me that because I've been looking at myself for the last 43 years, and I know that my shit ain't right every way you look at it, and that's just how it is.

It's in- that, it's interesting 'cause there's, you can make the argument that that is both the gayest thing in the world to think and say, and also the straightest thing because it's either like, "I don't even know what an angle is. What are you talking about? I don't do that. Like, that's just, I take a photo, it is what it is, whatever," versus, like, "I've studied my face in photos so much that I've deduced through years of research-

I think-

... that I don't have a good angle."

I think I, I-

In a I have nothing to wear kinda thing.

Yeah, I think I land somewhere in the middle of, like, I'm not-

Yeah

... I, I, I have looked, and I know that it's not great, and s- and I continue to look-

'Cause you [laughs]

... but, but I can't make many changes because I'm not gonna get cosmetic procedures because men don't have to do that.

You are a man who can do both in this-

Yeah. [laughs]

... particular instance-

Yes, yeah

... where it's equally possible and plausible for you to say, "Well, just take the photo. I don't fucking care. What, what do you mean?"

[laughs]

And also, like, "No, no, no. No, not, not..."

"No, ooh, no. Not from above. Ooh, no, no, it's so unflattering. No, not from below. That's unflattering too."

It's 4:30 PM. You know where the sun is.

Find the sun. Find the fucking sun.

Um, yeah. So yeah, we're getting ready for that, for our GQ Man of the Year. It's gonna be exciting. Um, are you guys gonna stay at The Chateau?

Yeah, that's the, the, the s- the best part of this deal really, is that, you know, I'm gonna try to make-

Bourdain style, baby

... Jake Linderman give us an acoustic performance in the lobby. Do you think I can get him to sit down at the piano Miley Cyrus style?

If we get a camera rented, we can, we can do it.

[laughs] I w- I just love the idea of Mi- when Miley Cyrus does the take over the piano, like, big band style.

Fine, I'll do it. I'll do it.

Less YSL and a little more black T-shirt.

Look, GQ, we're breaking all the rules. Okay, well I know-

We're breaking all the fucking rules

... you guys are gonna stay at The Chateau, and that room is also gonna be our sort of green room during the daytime. So we're, we're, we're not gonna sleep there, of course, but we're able to... I'm able to hang out in your space and just kinda, just m- get my post-facial glow up on and rub my, uh-

Well, yeah

... tallow.

I mean, since they got, since they got us there fucking 14 hours early-

[laughs]

... I mean, there's nothing else to do but hang out together, and that's fine. That-

Chris, welcome to TV, man

... that's how God intended, so.

It's a little different than your little podcast shit.

Well, it's not TV, it's YouTube, but yeah, same thing. Same thing.

It's-

It's the new TV

... many say more powerful. 10X.

They... [laughs] Yeah, Drewski says that.

[laughs]

I was explaining, I was explaining Drewski to someone, and they were like, "I've never heard of..." Who was it? They were like, "I've never heard of that person before." And I was like, "What, what do you mean?" They're like, "I don't know what you're talking about." And they weren't being funny. They weren't, like, a weird... They weren't 80 years old. It was just, it had not crossed their desk.

Do I know this person?

No, no, no, you don't. I, I didn't either.

Okay.

It was a first time, you know what I mean? It was, like, a first time-

Okay

... like, small talk on set situation. I was like, damn, it's crazy that something that feels so big is not touching everyone's algorithm, and that's, I guess, the power and beauty of the algorithm.

Yeah, the door swings both ways, man. They could be asking you, "Hey, you watch the game last night?" And your gay ass-

Sure

... is like, "Who, who, who, you?"

Which game do you mean, sir?

I like tennis.

[laughs]

Only when the boys play. I mean, oh.

Well, I only like when the boys play in any sport, let's just be clear. I, I don't, I don't watch women's football anymore. I kinda had to give that up. I was spending too mu-

I'm glad we got a clear take of that.

I was, I was-

Women's football you said? You talking about football-

Yeah, I was spending t-

... or American style?

[laughs] I was spending, I was spending too much money with my bookie on women's football, so I was... [laughs] I had to kinda, I had to cut that one out or it was gonna affect my bottom line.

I'm, I'm surprised Mikey kept taking your money on that one.

[laughs]

Wait, actually, hold on, hold on one minute. Sorry, Chris. He was just, like, leaf blowing right by this window and I was like, "Oh, shit."

That happened. There was a leaf blowing incident every single time we recorded when I was in Florida.

Really?

No joke. It was like, it was like they were scheduled at the s- Well, maybe it was only once a week, not twice. But it was, like, once a week it would be like, as soon as I sat down and push record-

Mm

... these motherfu- these gator motherfuckers would show up with their b- with their gas-powered blowers, just, just breaking the glass.

It's weird, I, I... Because noise-canceling technology, it's interesting what it blocks out and what it doesn't because so many Zoom call podcasts I've listened to over the years, you never, you don't really hear any suburban noise, spelled with a Z of course. No leaf blowers, no things like that. But you can... Whenever I'm listening to my Dime Square Transgressive pods, you hear the sirens, the New York City sounds, the horns, and things like that.

Zoom knows, Zoom knows New York is a vibe, and they let that stuff s-

I think the... [laughs]

They let that stuff sneak through. [laughs]

I would love a, a nice subway ad campaign with those precise words. Zoom knows that New York-

New York is a vibe

... is a whole ass vibe.

It's, it's a whole ass, it's a whole ass vibe. There's no question about that.

Talking to our, uh, our friend Daniel, physical therapy, from our pod last week. He just sent me a message saying, "I still drive a 2011 Prius, and I did not get a check." [laughs]

[laughs] I mean, I'm gonna guess that he is not the kinda guy who fills out paperwork, and I don't think you are-

Mm

... either, but I can-

Neither. Bro, he's more likely to fill out some shit than I am.

I could see you catching a wild hair years ago.

Mm-hmm.

When... You know what I mean? I don't think, I don't think you would do that today. But how are we spending the 350? Not to go backwards, but what are we, what are we spending? Did you buy some, a w- a, a single bottle of Dom P?

I had a, I had a beautiful meal at Muse in Santa Monica that was less free than I was hoping it to be.

Oh, I th- [laughs] Okay, I'm sorry.

[laughs]

I think I was confused about that when you mentioned that. Okay, that makes, that makes a little more sense. I was hoping for a nice bottle of, of, of Dom, but I guess if it's already spent, it's already spent. There's nothing we can do about that.

No, no, no. No, the martinis were flowing. These things add up.

Yeah, I know, I know.

So, you know, I'm... They're not in the business of giving away free alcohol to white guys, you know what I mean? What's the point?

Nobody... Well, no, I mean, no man should ever... I think that should be a rule. No man should receive free alcohol ever. No, no feds. Unless it's Fed Cup-

Uh-huh

... before 11.

[laughs] Um, have you seen Twitter is introducing certified bangers, ranking the top posts based on their authentic engagement for each month, including verified impressions, likes, bookmarks, reposts, and replies? So it's kind of like podcast charts or-

You're about to, you're about to be podcasting with a goddamn platinum artist then. We're about to go, we're about to go- [laughs]

I'm sorry, is the per- is the certified banger in the room with us right now? Because-

I've deleted all the certified bangers. No, I don't, I don't y-

[laughs]

I don't, unfortunately, use Twitter like that anymore. I look at certified bangers, but I don't think that... I think that you have to have, um, either a job where y- you have to do that all the time as a either content creator or, like, a news person.

Mm-hmm.

Or you have to be an absolute loser. Those are the only two people that are allowed to go that crazy on Twitter anymore.

No. I mean, if, if I post a picture of my monkey, it gets a lot more likes-

[laughs]

... than if I post, like, a, a scathing review of-

I did see a-

... the new PTA film or something.

I d- I did see that, uh, Terry post, post Benito breakup posted the thirst trap today, and I looked. This motherfucker had 178 responses, and I was like, "Bro, [laughs] there's nothing I could post on Twitter that would get 178 positive responses. Nothing."

When you say response-

Hold on one second, guys. Let us finish the intro. Sorry.

Okay. Well, uh, we, we should talk to our guest now today, our old friend Henry Shlomo. He's a, uh, musician, DJ. I've known him for a long time, from LA. He's got a record that just came out recently.

Repuls- Repulser, which is a great word.

Mm-hmm.

And I don't know if it's a real one or not, but I like it.

It's real. It's giving, uh, Depeche Mode album title.

Yes. Yes. Yes, it is.

Which is high praise, of course. But yeah, it's a cool record. We can talk about music.

Even I listened to it, and I liked it.

Oh, wow. Okay.

Yeah.

That's huge.

I'm down. I'm down.

For the... For an EDM artist, that's rare. Okay, let's give him a call.

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A lot of questions, but how often? 'Cause we do this podcast three times a week, and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do?

Three times a week, and I, I, I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe gonna be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess.

The Guardian is not some billionaire-owned platform. They're not afraid to say what they wanna say, brother.

Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in, in what, uh, journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at, at, uh, Stateside.

Mm-hmm.

But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch on YouTube. It's three times a week, and, and who couldn't use more news? You know, especially, especially when it's, when it's not, you know, from here, let's say.

[laughs]

Give, give it a, give it a listen. Give it a listen. Every time I go to the doctor, I walk out of that bitch feeling dumb. I got no real info. This guy in a white coat just say, "You're fine," you know, "Drink more water."

He knows how to charge my copay.

Exactly.

That's about it.

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Of course.

No.

Of course.

I don't.

It's Fuck Jerry... Isn't it Fuck Jerry's Tequila?

It is, yeah.

Oh, now I want it.

[laughs] Henry said, "I'm buying."

I was about to say, I'm sure Henry's seen some of those memes before.

Man, yeah, I've seen some of those.

Yeah, Ja Ja, it makes 818 look like the, the, uh, the bottle of Azul for 300.

[laughs]

You know what I mean? It's some bad shit.

Dude, that 818, fine shit.

[laughs]

Jason used to put that, Jason used to put that on our rider as a joke, and then I'd always be like, "Is it good?" And he'd be like, "No."

No.

"No, it's really not good."

No, it's not.

I'm like, "Then why do you keep doing this?" [laughs]

The worst one was the, the Travis Scott, the, like, mixed drink, the Cactus Seltzer.

Oh, he did... He, yeah, he did the Cactus Hard Seltzer. He, he tried to go-

Those were gone in, like-

It's called Cacti

... a week.

You were running through the cacti?

So bad, and they were just sitting for a while.

[laughs]

And then I remember, like, just the crates at CVS just one day, gone.

Really?

Somebody came and picked those up.

Yeah.

There were billboards all over LA for that, too.

Yeah.

I remember it being big.

They definitely did not make... The, it didn't go in the green. Uh, there's no way.

[laughs]

I think when you're someone on Cactus Jack's level, you take big swings at this point, and if one of those swings is a, a hard seltzer, it doesn't work, and the next swing is Kanye West on stage doing 12 songs in Japan-

Yep

... that one seemed to work.

Man-

You know? You can't win them all

... no matter how bad it is, I'm gonna buy some $40 Yeezy pants.

[laughs]

It sucks, but I'm gonna do it. It sucks.

Really, as, especially as a member of the Jewish faith-

Yeah

... you're, you're crossing the picket line.

Yeah, I crossed. I crossed.

[laughs]

I'm a scab.

You're a scab. [laughs]

Yeah.

We're gonna put a rat, we're gonna put a big blow-up rat outside of your apartment.

Yeah.

I was actually looking at some Yeezy desert boot shoes on The RealReal yesterday. Saw them in my size for the low, and I was like, "Damn, I, I might need to-"

Let me tell you, they were good. They were good.

They were good.

They gave... I have, I have one.

Okay.

They're good.

Okay.

I wanna know which NBA player had his assistant clean out his closet-

[laughs]

... so Jason could get the Yeezy desert boots-

Yeah

... for 40 on The RealReal.

[laughs]

I mean-

It was Russell, and he wore them with a little pair of, like, little shorts.

It was Russ in his little shorts.

Yeah.

I just love, I just love-

Big sock

... the whole thing.

Yeah.

The whole thing where he just, he, he gets the rabbi, he apologizes, and it, he got-

Oh, that rabbi video was gold.

But does that... That rabbi has done this before with another celebrity.

That's... I remember that. Yeah. Who was it? It was probably, like, Chris Pratt or something.

[laughs] So-

Mm. [laughs]

[laughs]

He's the go-to celebrity rabbi.

"I'm sorry."

And I kinda wanna build with him. I just wanna see kinda what's up.

Chris Pratt was like, "I'm sorry for having a Labrador."

[laughs]

Um, yeah, I don't know.

Is that... Is sorry for having a Labrador, is that a, a euphemism for something, or just l- the literal act of owning a Labrador?

No, I think 'cause everyone thinks he's, like, you know, like a Republican or something, and so-

Oh, okay, okay.

I don't think they think that.

He is.

I think he's, I think he's, like, at church with the family, a- and if you're going to church twice a week, you're a Republican. I mean, that's-

And he has a Labrador.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's part of the package.

Yeah.

I have a feeling the lab's not Black. Let's just say that, you know what I mean? Fellas.

That's what I'm saying.

[laughs]

And there's maybe two of them, and one's called Lucky.

[laughs]

[laughs] Wait, hold on. I didn't know there were labs that weren't Black. Excuse my ignorance as a, as a non-dog owner.

Wow, you said, "I don't see color."

Wow. I don't see color, yeah.

You can get a white, you can get a white lab?

Yeah. They got chocolate lab-

One

... black lab, yellow lab, yellow bone, white bone, all the bones

I don't, you know, I don't, I don't, I didn't know there was a yellow bone lab.

[laughs]

But I did know-

Yeah. Yeah

... I did know black and chocolate. I have not seen the white varietal. [laughs]

I feel like the chocolate's a red bone at heart.

[laughs]

Could be.

I feel like I must be going to the wrong dog parks, bro. I don't see this shit. I don't... I, first of all, I don't see color. Second of all-

Yellow, I feel like yellow lab is the most stocked dog. It's like, it's like what they come from the factory as before they make-

Yellow, yes.

Yeah.

White is di- white is different than yellow. We know that.

Chris, it's a spectrum. It's a spectrum.

Yeah.

I'm sorry, I don't, I've never had a dog, and I hate them, so I, I'm not that super up on dog-

Wow

... dog stuff. But-

Interesting. I have three.

What?

What do you have three? Your ho- your house must stink, bro. How often does the cleaning lady come?

Yeah, it does. It sucks.

[laughs]

Yeah, it's not good.

Luck- luckily, you just wear hoodies and shit, so you don't have to do a lot of dry cleaning.

Do you li- who do you live with?

Yeah, just covered in, like, shit, yeah. Uh, my girlfriend.

Okay.

Yeah, it's dog city over here.

Let me ask you a question. Who brought the dogs into the relationship, or did you get them together?

I had... Here's one right no- right here. He's, he's dope. He's dope.

Okay. All right, that little mother... All right, little motherfucker. You let that little motherfucker on the couch? Here, boy.

All right. Yeah. [laughs] Okay. Oh, yeah.

He'll fit in your, he'll fit in your little Bottega too. I see what you're trying to do there.

Yeah, he getting a little bag. Bag boy.

What's that dog's name? What's that small little guy?

He's Bode. This is Bode.

That was bo- obviously launched before the brand.

Actually, no. I spelled it differently, and I didn't know that that was how you pronounce that brand's name. [laughs]

So you never said it out loud. So you named your dog after the brand, but you didn't-

I'd never heard anyone say it out loud. I said it out loud. I was like, "Bode."

Yeah.

What the fuck? I'm, I'm not going in there.

Yeah, that's not really your swag, I don't think.

That's not for me, yeah.

All right. So you brought one dog, and your chick brought one dog, and then maybe you got one together. Is that how?

Exact, precise.

What did you need the third for?

COVID shi- was it a COVID dog? Number three a COVID dog?

Not even. Not even. We just fucked up.

Okay. [laughs]

Yeah. Yeah.

I'll take the L on that one, bro.

Did you-

Yeah, yeah

... did you take the L?

It was a big L.

Did you, did you go to, like, the shelter, and she started getting all cute with one, and you had to be like, "All right. Throw it in the range"?

My sister just sent me a little rescue link, and I was like, "That dog's really cute," and the rest is history.

Mm-hmm.

See, I do, I, I'm able to think a dog is cute, but when you gotta press add to cart, I can't do it.

[laughs]

Like, that's where the li- that's where the line gets drawn.

No, I, I acquired same day. I don't know why. It just, it happened, and it's-

So how much of your-

Yeah

... how much of your day is spent... What is the time split between making music and walking dogs? 'Cause at this point, it feels like it must be 50/50.

So much dog.

Is this something you find great joy in?

Yes. It's both, you know? It's, it's like when-

It's both

... people talk about kids now that I have three dogs. I'm like, "This is almost like a quarter a kid."

Mm.

No, no, no, it's more than a quarter of a kid. I think three dogs-

It is. I didn't wa- I didn't wanna, I didn't wanna make the jump, but I think it is more than-

Let me do that jumping for you.

Okay. Thank you.

Jason loves to jump. Let me ask you a question.

[laughs]

Let me ask you a question. How do you... 'Cause this is what fascinates me most about dogs-

Yeah

... and this is, Jason and I have talked about this many times. How do you justify as a human being with a successful career picking up shit with your hand?

Uh-

Because that is something, I know you have a bag, I know there's all the tools, but it seems we're better than that as human beings.

[laughs] Keeps me grounded. Keeps me level.

Oh, so you are, you're saying I'm too popping, just picking up shit.

Yeah.

On some Chris Pratt shit. It keeps you grounded.

[laughs] Exactly.

I fuck with that.

If Chris Pratt can do it for his theoretical Labrador that I don't know exists-

See, that's funny. My faith, my faith, my faith keeps me grounded.

Exactly.

But you guys need shit for that. I see what it is.

I got both.

Okay. I got it. I got it.

Faith and shit.

[laughs] Okay. When you, uh, when you and bae go out of town, what's up with the dog sitting? Do you bring them with? Do you give them to your sister, take them to your mom?

Can't bring three dogs.

Yeah, yeah.

Can't bring three dogs anywhere. Can't even do it to, like, the store. I don't know. This is-

Yeah, yeah

... it's become-

[laughs]

... this is a whole thing. Um-

Mm-hmm

... no, the budget has just, like, increased. So, like, any time I-

Yeah

... any time I go play a show, it's like I'm like, "Oh, well, there's this other budget I have to-" [laughs]

Yeah. Sure. There's, you-

[laughs]

Something I think about all the time.

Dude, you, you guys are... It's just crazy to me. I, I literally am fascinated by it because it just-

Yeah

... seems like a choice that no one makes consciously, and then all of a sudden, it's like, "This is my entire life."

Yeah, totally. That is exactly what happened, and it is a absolute pain and a chore. [laughs]

So you're saying, you're saying, you're like, "All right. So we got backline. I had to buy all these, I had to buy all this stuff. We got the smoke machine. We got the scrim."

I can't be sitting in main cabin. You know what I'm saying?

[laughs] You got-

Need a little upgrade.

You're in del- you're in Delta one to Brussels, and then you also got-

Yeah

... 800 put aside for the dog sitter-

Yep, yep

... while daddy's out earning money.

Yeah, we're barely-

And you've, you're just, you've, you've just come to t- you're just like, "This is part of my life."

Yep. We're barely out the red here. Yeah.

Okay. [laughs]

Yeah.

Sure. Sure. No, no, I get it.

Yeah.

I appreciate your honesty. It's brave.

No, no, this is, that's what it is.

And you can't kill the dog. You'll go to jail. Can't eat them.

Well, it's like you don't want to. You, you're, you're stuck.

[laughs]

You know? You're just totally trapped.

Mm-hmm.

All right. So to be clear, you're, you're continuing your, your bravery by saying you don't wanna kill your own dogs. That's nice.

Yes.

Okay.

That's, I'm so brave. Yeah.

Do you have a stu- is, is the stu in the house, or are you leaving the house to go create?

I have never... We've had, we have, like, a la- like, We Did It, our, like, old label thing.

Yeah.

We had, like, a group studio at one point, but that was-

I bet a lot of work got done in there.

Yeah. Actually, it did.

[laughs]

Weirdly, it did.

Uh, work isn't smoking weed. You're saying music actually got made in there?

Yes, yes.

Wow.

The most functional weed people you'll ever meet. No, that's not true. There's probably-

You know, the crew, I feel like the crew ballooned at one point. There had to be some fat you needed to trim there.

Oh, sure. I mean, that place was... It, I mean, I lived there for a while. It was not gr- like, not good.

Was that, it was over on Melrose, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was just like a hou- it was like a, like a one, two-bedroom house that you guys just converted to the office, studio-

Yeah, it was-

... smoke spot kind of thing?

It was beautiful and disgusting.

For th- [laughs] for those of us who listen to music with guitars, c- who, who was the core of the We Did It collective?You?

Sure. I don't know.

Yeah. [laughs]

Um, yeah. Well, it was kinda like, it was, it was a group, so I don't know if there was a core. But I guess it was founded by me and my friend Nick-

Okay

... um, who Jason al- also knows. Um-

I know Nick as well. I know Nick as well.

Oh, you know Nick, okay.

Yeah, I just wasn't, I wasn't sure if this was sort of-

Recently married

... if there was like-

Recently married?

... congratulations to him. If there was a lot of-

Yes

... sort of posers out there. Like, did you give out leatherman, you know, letterman jackets-

Uh

... to kinda signify-

[laughs]

What's funny is we made-

... chains?

We did make some at a certain point. Um-

[laughs]

So, so-

And we did make chains also.

[laughs]

So you were, you hit the nail on the head with both of those.

But did, did everybody get... Like, did the weed carrier get one, or was it only the real squad squad?

Everyone was a weed carrier.

[laughs]

[laughs]

Yeah. Um-

Okay. So very d- very democratic across the board.

Yeah, the word was spread-

Everyone is a core member. Everyone is also a weed carrier.

We did a Fader interview one time, and we decided to bring the drug dealer along as the-

[laughs]

So we got-

To add color

... yeah, we all got photographed at Master Burger. We were like, "We're g- We, you need to take us to Master Burger."

I don't know what Master Burger is.

I don't either.

That's a shame.

[laughs]

Um, it's [laughs] I think it's still there. Just one of the OG spots. They put, they can put a little pastrami on a burger if you want, you know, like old LA-

Oh

... bullshit

... I'm looking at it. Okay.

Okay. So you guys went to Master Burger with the, with Jason Nacido or whoever-

[laughs]

... was shooting you for the Fader. And you brought along your drug dealer. And now I, I don't wanna... O- obviously I don't wanna blow up anybody's spot.

Mm-hmm.

But I, I imagine he was moving a little more than weed if he's getting in the photos.

Well, we just, he was so nice. [laughs]

Right. Okay, was, is-

Yeah

... so is this, is Master Burger, that feels like USC territory?

Uh, yeah, it's a little, like, mid-

What are you, what are you guys doing on Western and 48th Street is what I wanna know.

[laughs]

[laughs]

We used to frequent Slauson a lot. The swap meet was kind of like-

Mm-hmm

... a little we did it hub for a while, where we would get all of our shit made.

Yeah.

Now you can just, like, go to, like-

I get it all in China

... Squid or what, yeah, or like, whatever. There's, like, places like Ink Squid.

I go to Ink Squid. I go to Red Bubble. Yeah, you just go on anywhere.

Yeah, like, none of this stuff, none of that existed, even, like, printers and shit.

'Cause you guys were making a lot of merchandise, highly coveted, if I remember correctly.

Yeah, it was... I, thank you, I guess. [laughs]

[laughs]

Um, yeah, we were just ma- we were just making a lot of shit, and, and, um, a lot of it was just via the swap meet.

Yeah.

So you're saying-

The embroidery guy

... okay, so you're saying you would take your, your blanks down to the embroidery guy at the s- at the swap meet-

Mm-hmm

... and go absolutely fucking crazy.

To get a authentic urban edge.

Yeah.

And I think that's dope to do that.

Well, it, it was the only place I knew of to get shit made. I didn't even know otherwise.

Dude, the, I went, I went there maybe, like, a year ago just to check in.

It's different.

It's different, but, like, I was equally blown away. I think the last time I went, like, a year ago, I remember, like, eating an edible before, just to be like, "See what's going on."

Yeah.

And it was, it was th- I saw some of the sickest shit I've ever seen in my... I remember seeing one, there's a, it's a, the, like, a 3XL purple shirt, and it had two hands with handcuffs breaking free.

Yes. Were they Mickey glove hands?

It was sort of Mickey glove handsy.

[laughs]

But in giant letters it said, "Free my grandma."

[laughs]

[laughs] Free her, man. Till it's backwards. Did sh-

They make... Till it's backwards. They make a shirt for everything at the Slauson Swap Meet.

Was it an airbrush, or was it just, like, a print?

No, screen print.

Screen print?

But what is the, is the pricing at the swap meet pretty good, or do they, do they hit you with the white boy tax?

The prices have gone up.

It's gone up. It, it used to be just, like, the sickest, oh, fuck.

[laughs]

That's it.

It's a orange shirt, not a purple shirt.

That's beautiful.

"Free my grandma."

It used to be exclusively shit like that and, like, fake Iceberg.

Yeah.

Like Looney Tunes.

Mm.

Like, the good shit, you know? And then-

Yeah, the good shit. [laughs]

The good shit, you know what I'm saying? And then, uh, uh, I think, like, 2013 rolled around, and, like, Tyga was wearing all that, like, weird fake Versace brand. And then it, and then it all became, like, supplement printed, like, pharaohs.

[laughs]

Which I was still down with.

Wow. [laughs]

I'm like, "This is sick."

All right, so you're, y- you, you're saying that whatever the s- the swap meet was serving, you were sort of eating. It, you were, you were happy with it.

But then Tyga came through with his Rack City money and, and fucked the game up-

Yeah

... is what you're saying.

Yeah.

Started putting a pharaoh on everything.

I was, I, we left no crumbs for a while.

[laughs]

And then-

I feel like, Henry, I feel like, I feel like-

Even the shoes

... you've maybe spent some time with Tyga. Is that crazy for me to think?

No. One, one of the guys I have not. I-

Okay

... I would've loved to.

[laughs]

But [laughs]

We all would.

I know.

Tyga and Ray J to me are in the same-

Totally

... and Soulja Boy. Tho- that's the, the GOATed trio that can do anything, and I'm, I'm down with it.

Dream blunt rotation, to be honest.

D- actually dream blunt rotation.

Yeah.

They all have, they have these similar sort of fuck it attitudes. I think that's why I group them together.

Yeah. Ray J is, like-

Well, they're all entrepreneurs.

That's right

... the deepest troll. I love him.

He, no, he's a, he's unbel- I'm, I'm a big fan of, um, Love & Hip Hop.

Yeah.

One of the greatest series to ever exist, and Ray J's run on that is Hall of Fame level. I, I mean, he's kind of the guy I think of now when I think of the series.

Do you remember Soulja Boy's short stint in the Atlanta version?

Of course.

[laughs]

Yeah.

Of course.

There's just this one quote that I'll always remember. I forget who his girl was at the time. Might've been, I don't even know. She was like, he, he, they were moving in together, and he was, like, building a man cave.

Soulja Cave

Soulja Cave.

[laughs]

And she, she was like, "What do you need a man cave for?" And he, and he looked at her like the most like, "What the fuck are you even ta-" And, and he was like, "To smoke."

[laughs] You dumb bitch.

And looked at her like so confused. Like, "What are you fucking even asking me?"

She's like, "You have a Supreme store in your kitchen, and your living room is every video game ever made. What do you need a man cave for?"

She's like, "You can smoke in one of the 15 bedrooms in suburban Atlanta that you bought."

You bought the whole Kid Robot store. [laughs]

[laughs] Like, you're good, bro.

Yeah.

It's fine. That's just, that, that's a bedroom. It can be whatever you want it to be.

It can be whatever, yeah.

We tease, but I, we all wish that our brain worked like that.

All right.

We'd be in a different place in this life.

It'd be a blessing.

Do you think... Now, do you guys think Soulja... Who do you think's got the most brea- Well, Tyga's got the most bread out of those three, but who's got the most bread between Ray J and Soulja? I don't wanna be a pocket checker-

I don't know

... but who do you think-

That's a good question.

I think Ray J's got, has, has more money.

Really?

I think Ray J's got more.

Do you think, so you think Raycon sold more than the Soulja Boy Game Boy?

Yeah, because Ray c- Raycon is a, a legitimate business that has spent millions-

It is

... and millions of dollars on podca- We've done Ray J ads ourselves, whereas I-

Proudly. Proudly

... I've purchased a Soulja Boy, I purchased a Soulja watch-

[laughs]

... knowing full well that it'll never arrive.

Yeah.

Like, I gave him $39, and I was like, "That's it."

Yeah, I did the same thing for the first Sol- Soulja GameCon, and that-

[laughs] Did it show up to the crib?

No. No, no, no. [laughs]

But I have to, I have to say, guys, I have to say, this business model of taking money and never using it to produce anything could make you rich if you get away with it for long enough.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

He's done a couple of them.

I think he's do- I think he does one a week, and it still finds victims.

There's a new... He's, like, doing, like, a, a, you know, like, the friend AI fucking thing. He's, like, making one.

[laughs]

[laughs] So sick. So sick. That's so hard to do. That's, like, so technologically advanced. Like, there's no way.

I can't imagine what-

[laughs]

... a step down from one of those things would be. Like, what that is.

I wanna know what the Soulja twist is, 'cause i- if it's his voice-

Yeah, yeah, yeah

... that's pretty good.

Well, the thing is, with all the other shit, there was no twist. [laughs] There wasn't... He didn't even, they're not even branded. He would just, it's-

Mm-hmm

... he's a drop shipper for Alibaba.

And it, but it's, I would rather give him my money than a-

Awesome

... he's the Bernie Madoff of, of the streets, kind of-

Exactly

... where it's like-

And I wanna see him win.

[laughs] I wanna see him win.

Yeah.

Does Soulja, does Soulja live in LA, or does he live in Atlanta?

Both.

He's global. He's global, bro. Come on.

Yeah, he's, he's global, dude. Come on. [laughs]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to, I didn't mean... I mean, he's gotta go to China to check on the factories and stuff, make sure everything's getting out on time.

No, he, he's got a guy for that, dude.

[laughs]

Yeah, no, he's, he's doing it, yeah.

[laughs] I'm sorry to hear that-

Soulja Boy walking around a factory with his hands behind his back-

He's, like, s-

... like inspecting

... secretly John Cena, can speak, like, fluent Cantonese and Mandarin. He's, like, going to all the factories.

[laughs]

[laughs]

Ni hao ma, Soulja.

Uh, okay. Well, you w- you were talking before about every time you go and, and play a show, you gotta get the, the dog sitter and the, and the this, that, and the other thing.

Yeah.

How... Uh, do you, do you miss when, when we were all playing at EDM festival, you know, seemingly once a month somewhere and-

Yes

... in Denver or [laughs] New Hampshire or-

Man, it's so funny, like, being where I am now and just having seen that whole shit kind of, like, collapse in on itself. And, like, I don't know if you've listened to my other albums, like, I ne- I've never really made [laughs] EDM.

No, not at all. Not at all.

Never, and-

Your loss, but we'll, w- we don't need to talk about it.

No, no shame in this. Uh-

It's some beautiful music to smoke to and ride to. You know, it's-

Yeah

... there's, your impressive work with Jeremiah.

Beasters.

Yeah, yeah. [laughs] But it's not necessarily, you know, you and Tiesto up there making the same kind of shit now.

Well, yeah, everyone would be bummed when I play those things.

[laughs]

So it's like clearly I'm not meant for this.

You're like, "I'll take this check, but I'm gonna upset the audience."

It was always one of those things I felt like Europe was so far ahead back then. It was like, oh, they have, like, culture for electronic music that isn't-

Mm-hmm

... this.

I can't wait till I go play Primavera instead of the Hard Festival-

Exact-

... because they're gonna get it

... exa- I would say no to Hard Fest, like, every year. I was like, "No, I can't." And then I realized, like, this is-

[laughs]

... American culture. This is-

Yeah.

Mm-hmm, yeah

... this is what we do here.

This is it, brother.

This is what we do here.

So when you would play something like Hard Festival, would you do your best, or would you just play your shit and let them hate from outside the club?

I said no until 2019, and then I did it one time, and I played guitar. I did full, like, rock-

[laughs]

... shit set, and people were bummed, and it was awesome.

They weren't into the slow dive set at Hard Festival?

No.

All right, all right, McGee, calm down.

[laughs]

Let's not, uh... [laughs]

[laughs] Shit.

No, you're the proto Me- You're the proto, I know. You're the OG.

But I think that's a testament to how cool you guys are and how much of, like, a mysterious draw where it's like, we want these guys so bad, even though the music that they're making has no place here. It's just like, I wanna hang out with these guys. I wanna-

[laughs]

... you know, get them in the mix. I want them to be backstage. I wanna own their friendship and pay for it, kind of, you know?

Y- There was some of this, yeah. There, there was some of that at, um, that fucking FYF Festival, rest in peace.

I didn't know you p- I didn't know you put out any EPs with Burger Records. I didn't... That's interesting.

[laughs]

I thought you had your own label, but I guess-

Okay.

Hey, FYF was different at the beginning, though.

You know what's funny is we actually did tapes with Burger, so you're not f-

[laughs]

You're not, you're not even making jokes here. [laughs] This is just-

[laughs]

This is just our life, dude.

You're like, "We know how we can..." You're like, "We know how to make white label 12 inches, but we're gonna outsource the tape making to those nerds over at Burger."

We, dude, we had nothing ourselves. We didn't make anything. It was like everything was whoever could help us. We were just stoned.

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Yeah, it was technically a record label.

Yeah.

So somebody had to do something.

I... Yeah, I mean, we were, like, getting... W- well, we would do, like, tape collabs with them. We would get our vinyl made through whoever could make it the cheapest and what- you know, and then f-

Yeah

... find a distributor and-

So you didn't have an in-house distributor that you poached from Universal Music Group?

No. We didn't even have sh- Like, we would ship stuff ourselves until it was too much, and then... I don't know.

So there was no radio department or anything like that? Okay, got it. [laughs]

The whole thing was just me and Nick. It was nothing. [laughs]

That's pretty funny because I do feel like-

Yeah

... as a, you know... I, that was not my world necessarily, but it was very adjacent-

Mm-hmm

... to my own world. And I do remember thinking, "Whatever this is feels cool, but I don't know where my in is," you know? And that's a powerful place to be, I think.

That's cool, I think.

I... No, I do too. I do too.

Yeah.

Because I think it, I think when you make something feel that good from far away-

Mm

... and people don't even know why they like it, that means that you, you, you kinda have them wrapped around your finger before they press play or, or, you know, whatever, buy something.

I'll take it.

Yeah.

I'll take it.

It's part of being an it girl.

[laughs]

That's true. And I guess the rappers notice, which is always funny.

Yeah. I never thought I would be an it girl, but... [laughs]

Well, it's over now, just to be clear. You had your moment.

Yeah. Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's been over for a while.

[laughs]

We're, we're very clear on this. We're very clear on this.

We're very clear.

Very clear.

But you guys, do you guys stop doing it just because you felt like it was over?

No, I mean, um, it's not... The door isn't closed, it's just like-

Okay

... we grow up and have less time to smoke weed together. [laughs]

Sure. Sure. The project is alive, but we're less high, so we can't contribute as much time to it.

Some of us are less high, yeah.

Like, I'm not speaking for everybody, but some of us.

Yeah, I can't speak for us all. Um, I can't speak for myself. [laughs]

I feel like, I feel like when we first met, I was smoking zero weed and you were probably enjoying a good amount of it.

Copious.

And now I'm, uh, now I'm smoking a lot more, and I feel like you might be smoking a little bit less. Is that fair to say?

Well...

[laughs]

Um, I, I actually can't s- m- I, I had a l- uh, a lung, uh, collapse a couple years ago.

Okay.

A very hairy experience.

What does that... W- how does that happen? Like, why does that happen?

They literally call... It's called a spontaneous pneumothorax, so it literally means, like, a random lung collapse in Latin. [laughs]

Sound like a Oneohtrix Point Never EP.

Yeah.

Yeah, that, that-

Mm-hmm.

Okay, so you're s- and what does that-

So it was a freak accident, just a-

Totally

... what, what... Okay.

What does that feel like, if you could describe it?

When it happens, it feels like just someone, like, kicked you in the back or some shit, and you're like, "What the fuck?"

Mm.

It's, like-

Right, right, right

... weird. You're like, "Why did it feel like someone kicked me in the back?" And it's, like, not apparent.What's wrong?

You feel like you got one lung

Feels like you got one lung, yeah.

But did you thug it out for a little while before you, like, went to Cedars?

For, like, a couple hours I was like, "I'm straight. We're good."

[laughs]

And then, and- and my girlfriend was like, "You sound bad. Like, your voice sounds different."

Mm-hmm.

Like, and I was like, "It's fine." [laughs] Like, um, and I'm glad we went, 'cause I guess if you don't treat it, you can die, [laughs] so.

Right, right, right.

Sure. I was gonna imagine there was some b- bad things that would happen-

Yeah

... if it d- goes untreated.

Well, the, the thing is that the... it's more the pressure. So, like, they don't just collapse. What happens is, like, a part of it will pop and air fills your, like, chest cavity.

Oh.

So, so what happens is it can press on your heart, and your heart will just go, "Bye." [laughs]

So d- so was this-

Oh, dear

... was it, so you c- so you go to the emergency room.

Yeah.

Are you laid up for a while, and then it's, like, long recovery period? Or is it-

Dude

... relatively

... it sucks. So they, like, immediately are like, "Oh, yeah, it's collapsed." And then they just, they flip you on your side, and they just stick a tube through your ribcage.

Yeah.

And-

To get air, to release the pressure or-

To release the air

... to get you air. Okay, okay.

And then that stays in there for two days.

And the tube goes into your ribcage, just we cut a hole through your s- body.

Yep, just little hole.

And then you go...

It, it's fried, dude. Um, you-

[laughs]

... you feel it, like, scraping around in your lung.

Surgery is fried.

Oh.

I couldn't agree more.

Oh. [laughs]

This wasn't even sur- you're just awake.

You're awake? They don't give you a little something?

No. No, no, no.

Luckily you were high anyway, but still that's, like, the-

I was like, "Can I please have Xanax or something?"

[laughs]

Um, and then, yeah, so they, they do that for, like, two days, and then they try and pull it out once your lung has reexpanded.

Mm-hmm.

But when they pulled it out, it popped again.

Oh.

So then another couple days they had to put in another one, and then once it pops twice, they're like, "So we kinda gotta do this surgery," like, and the surgery is more fried. Um-

[laughs]

... they, uh, cut out a little piece of your lung, and then they s- literally sandblast the inside of your lung cavity with talcum powder-

Oh

... so that it-

Huh. What?

I didn't know talcum powder went inside like that.

Neither did I, and so now I have a bunch. Um, and it-

[laughs]

... and it chafes up your shit on, uh, the inside. [laughs]

Okay. [laughs]

It, it scratches up the inside of your shit-

Uh-huh

... and, and fuses your lung to the inside of your chest cavity so that it can't-

Oh, okay

... pop again.

Okay, okay.

Oh, so it's like double-sided tape on the inside of your body to keep it in there.

Exactly. The little gift tape.

Wow.

But the thing was, when I woke up, they had not given me any of the painkillers. Um, so I woke up in this, like... It was like a Reddit, like, nightmare experience, like with the things that you read about, that you're like, "Wow-

[laughs]

... I, I can't b- I can't believe that's real," and you're like, "Thank God, that will never happen to me."

That one in a-

I'm sure you weren't-

... one in a million-

... concerned with this at the time, but did they give you any reasoning as to why they hadn't given you any?

Oh, no. They said you're, they said, "You're on it. You're on it right now." It was supposed to be fetti, bro. They were gonna give me fentanyl, right?

Hell yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I was on Dilaudid for a week before that, and I was like, "Sure."

Don't sleep on Lil D. Lil D goes dot, dot.

Lil D'll get you right. Lil D'll get you right.

Do not sleep on Lil D.

[laughs]

It ain't the big D, but it's Lil D.

[laughs]

The big D being Demerol. Um-

Oh. [laughs]

Lil D was fine. But so I woke up. They were supposed to give me real, real drugs, and, um, 'cause it's fucked up. The surgery's fucked up.

They hit you with Tylenol 4?

Bro, no, they didn't hit me with nothing, because they said, "You're maxed out. You're maxed out on pa-" The, the fetti was everything. That's it. And I couldn't speak. Like, my eyes are rolling back type shit. I'm, like, sweating through the bed, like, white type shit.

Yeah, yeah.

And, um, they wouldn't release me from the room, because they were like, "Clearly something's fucked up." So they were holding me in there for, like, hours, and then finally they, like, send me out to, like, my girl and my family, and they're like, "What the fuck is wrong with him?" 'Cause I'm like... [gasping]

[laughs]

Like... [laughs]

It, it don't look like y'all are done with this whole procedure yet.

Yeah, I don't think y'all fixed our boy.

Yeah, it doesn't look done.

Our boy ain't fixed yet.

Yeah.

Go back in there and finish the job.

[laughs]

You missed a step. Yeah, missed a, missed something. Um, and, uh, they were just like, "No, we can't give you anything. You're, you're g- all we can do is Benadryl."

Whoa.

The extra fucked up thing was it was the last surgery of the night, so they're like, "Oh, the pain team's gone. Your doctor's gone. Everyone's gone. We can't really do anything until 8:00 AM tomorrow."

Mm-hmm.

And I was like...

Guess I'll die.

Yeah, guess I'm gonna die here.

[laughs]

I like the pain team. That sounds like-

Yeah

... something I'd like to be a part of.

N- you wouldn't. They're a really sick bunch of individuals.

[laughs]

Who... Well, I guess who makes the decision on when the patient is maxed? That feels like the boss has to be like-

Well, so if you're on whatever the amount of fentanyl that you're supposed to be from the surgery, that is, you know, they can't give you, like, any more Dilaudid or whatever after that.

So y- so you're saying that they incorrectly documented that you were already full of fentanyl, so we're not gonna give him anything else? Or were you on fentanyl and it wasn't-

No

... doing it?

I know what that's supposed to feel like.

Oh, okay, big dog. Don't stunt on us, Tom Petty, with the patch.

[laughs]

No, no, no, no. I just, I know what drugs feel like. This is, and, uh-

Damn straight. Welcome, welcome home, brother.

Damn fucking straight.

[laughs]

And that was not that, and-

I know what drugs feel like. Very cool.

Yeah, very cool, dude.

[laughs]

I didn't do homework where I'm from. Um-

[laughs]

Uh, uh, uh, this is a thing, and I was reading about it afterwards. Nurses get caught stealing the fentanyl a lot. Um-

Yeah

And, uh, replacing it with saline or whatever the fuck. And so I'm pretty sure this is what happened, because bro, this was not right. [laughs] This was not correct.

Bro, let's make a podcast about this.

Yes.

We're gonna find this bitch. Well, it could have been a guy. It could have been a guy.

Could have been a dude. So the, the, the pain team, like, main guy who was, like, my anesthesiologist, you never think about who they're gonna be, like, before they get there. And, and this guy came in, he was like buff as shit with like-

[laughs]

With a dyed goatee, like black.

What up, king? You guys ready to get sedated?

Yeah, he was like-

[laughs]

"Hey, king." Yeah, literally. The, the buff typing king.

[laughs]

He was like that vibe, and I was like-

He was Chad Esthesiologist.

Yes.

Okay.

Could have been him. Could have been him.

So-

I don't trust-

So did you finally, after, uh, the worst night of your life, did they hit... Did they give you a bump the next morning?

I mean, yeah, they gave me a fucking like five milligram oxy or something the, the ne-

Sure

... you know.

Child's dose.

Little baby dose, and then they had, uh, social services and all these, like, teams come in, being like, "What happened? What was wrong?" And I'm like, "Who gives a shit at this point? [laughs] Like, what the fuck?"

[laughs]

What am I gonna sue Cedars? Like, what... It's not gonna happen.

Right, right, right.

So how long did this, how long did this take you out for?

Uh, I mean, I was in the hospital for two weeks.

Damn.

Yeah. It was a bummer.

And could you eat and shit, or was it like bad news? Like you were just sort of laying there.

Uh, I was pretty much just laying there.

The homies can pull up with the matzo ball soup or something like that, you know?

Couple homies pulled up, couple homies pulled up. Jack and Nick brought me some balloons.

[laughs]

Got a Minion balloon in there. Um-

How you feeling? Don't talk, but we brought you a Minion balloon.

[laughs]

Don't get too excited, but...

Yes. [laughs]

[laughs]

Um, no, I was, like, feeling good during the day 'cause I was on drugs, but then, um-

But did you make a th- Did you make through the wire wi- Did you bring the NPC, like-

No. No.

Okay. [laughs]

I was like barely... I... You know what's funny is I was remembering, like, I don't even think I looked at my phone. I think I was just, like, ceiling. Yeah.

[laughs]

The light.

Yeah.

The little light in the corner, whatever.

You're watching Beat Bobby Flay for 18 hours a day.

[laughs] Yeah. Yeah, I think I was just, like, whatever... Yeah, literally, whatever movie was on. I don't think I was even intaking.

[laughs]

It was bad.

So you were in the hospital for two weeks, but from, from initial pain to I'm, I'm back feeling good, I can jog, what are we looking at?

Oh, probably, like, another two months after that.

Okay.

But, but the biggest adjustment seems like we had to put down-

Put down the ganj for a little bit.

The pen- the Penjamin had to go on the charger.

Yeah.

Eddies are okay?

Eddies are straight. I was doing... Yeah, the eddies have been straight.

What about Marlboro Lights? No go-

No.

Mm-hmm.

Unfortunately, no burning things.

Okay. [laughs]

But what do they say to you? They're like, "Don't do this. It'd be bad"? Or are they like-

Well, the-

..."Chief, you really can't do this"?

It wasn't even really either, 'cause it, it's random when it happens. It happens to people that don't smoke.

Mm-hmm.

It's usually because of an underlying genetic thing, which is, like, Marfan.

So you're saying your dad was on the Backwoods then?

Yep.

Mm-hmm.

Dad was on Woods.

[laughs]

Only chocolate Outback Woods. Um-

Okay. So-

Only Thai stick

... but even, even though it could happen to a non-smoker, once you go through all of that, you're really scar... You know, like, I'm sure the worst thing you could do for a collapsed lung is smoke a bunch.

That, and the doctor went in there. I've been, you know, smoking so much for a long time and, um, the doctor was like, "Yo, that shit looked bad in there."

[laughs]

Like... [laughs]

So while I was in there saving your life-

Unrelated

... you're like, "Sorry, Doc, I didn't know you were a pussy"

... I was able to scrape the bottom of your lung.

Yeah, I didn't know you were fucking gnar. Yeah.

Yeah, he was, he was scraping the lung like it was a bowl. He was trying to get the resin out.

Exactly, dude. He was trying to hit, hit the little resy. No, this-

[laughs]

It was totally unrelated. He was like, to my family, he's like, "Yo, his lungs are fucked up. Don't let him smoke anymore." Now my mom's all freaked out. I'm like-

But your mom and dad must have known based on your persona and output that you were a schmoker.

Oh, yeah.

You, yeah, you would take a little cousin walk on Thanksgiving. It's noth-

[laughs]

You're not new to this. You're too into this.

Pops is, Pops is a stoner as well, so it's, it's-

Oh.

Oh, Pops smokes?

It do- Yeah, I wasn't even kidding. It runs in the family.

[laughs] Okay.

Wow.

Yeah.

Okay, so how do you like your new life as an edibles only guy? What's your milligram dosage? Let's get into it.

It sucks.

[laughs]

Edibles are the worst.

See, that's when I know a real smoker. 'Cause real smokers are like, "I wanna, I wanna hit the Backwoods. I wanna hit the Swisher. I wanna hit the joint. I don't wanna eat a little cute gummy from a child."

There's no amount that's fine. You know?

[laughs]

It's like-

Good or bad

... it's, it's child stuff. Yeah, good or bad. It's bad. Usually it's like-

So you're saying you could, you could take it and you feel nothing, or you take it and you feel too much?

Yeah, it's like, you know, you take one, nothing. Two, nothing. Three, I can't tell. Four, I'm panicking.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

You know?

Mm-hmm.

Usually there.

But you're still finding a way to take them.

Finding a way.

Yeah, sure.

[laughs] Yeah.

You're pushing through, and I'm proud of you for that.

Yeah.

Life persists.

Did you have like a-

It's still better than being sober

... did you have a I saw the white light, like, I thought this was it moment?

Uh, no, but I had a moment where I was like, "Please, no more. Let me die here."

[laughs]

You're saying the pain, you're saying the pain, you're like, "All right. If this is it, that's fine."

If-

"But this gotta stop"

... if they could do that to people, like-

[laughs]

... that would... I would tell anything. I would tell anything.

Oh, yeah.

Okay, so you're saying you were... You're saying this is your waterboarding. This is your Gitmo.

It was... Yeah. I would have rather done a lot of Gitmo stuff.

I get torture now.

I would have rather done the Gitmo stuff.

Okay.

For sure.

Well, then, did you take, did you take all of this pain and turn it into an album, or is, are the two things unrelated?

Kinda unrelated, 'cause I feel like... I mean, well, in a way, if anything, the only thing I really took from it was, like-Everything is nothing, and I can... Like, what am I trying to do here, and what do I actually wanna-

Like, this could all be over tomorrow type shit, for real.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Elliott Smith-ass-

Yeah

Yeah

... mindset. Okay.

Miss Misery over here.

Yeah, exactly.

[laughs]

Um, you know, just, just like, why would I want to do anything? And like, why do I wanna make this album? Like, what-

And that's why, and that's why I call Jack from Salem, get his hot ass-

[laughs]

... in the studio, and say, "If I'm gonna die, I wanna be with this bisexual king. I wanna make some hits."

Yep, my bisex king, dude. [laughs]

[laughs]

Um, yeah, we had actually been working on shit beforehand, so that wasn't a reaction, um-

Mm-hmm

... to find shit, um. [laughs]

You're like, "I didn't have to go, I didn't have to go to the state prison in Nebraska to make this song."

Yeah, Clark County.

We were, [laughs] we were kinda... We were good. We, I had the files already.

[laughs]

[laughs]

I mean, no, I think that's a pretty crazy... I mean, I think that you have a pretty good perspective on it, but that's a pretty gnarly thing to happen, uh, especially out of nowhere. Like you said, there were no symptoms, you know?

Yeah, it sucked. It sucked. Um, yeah, it's just been like, kind of acclimating to life as not having a joint in my hand has been the most difficult thing [laughs] for me afterwards.

Was it hard to make, was it hard to make music, like, without... Just, just, like, mentally?

Mm.

Yeah.

Good point.

Totally. Um, I think for me, my music has always come from a very, like, trancic type-

Mm

... place, where I'm like, forget everything that exists [laughs] and like-

Mm-hmm

... s- you know, um, try and make new ideas. I think my, my music is mainly about, like, for myself, when I'm making it, is like, experiment vi- I feel like Stu Pickles, like, fiddling in my-

Mm.

I'm trying to invent something, you know what I'm saying? Like-

Mm-hmm

... I'm not, I'm not stoked on, like... I listen to a lot of music that is just, like, songwriting. Like, a dude and a guitar and nothing else. But like, for me, I feel like the only thing I have to add to that kind of canonical conversation is, like-

Mm

... a new sound. Like, something, something different. If I was just a dude playing guitar, I would be like, "This dude does it better than me. I'm not trying to do that shit." Um-

Mm-hmm.

Sure.

Mm-hmm.

You know, so that always went kind of hand-in-hand with either weed or whatever, just kind of being in this more open galaxy brain.

An altered state.

Mm-hmm.

An altered state.

An altered state, you might say.

Yeah. Do you, do you think that-

So that was weird

... you wanted to have, you know, a truly new, original sound, is that just to please and, and appeal to your own brain and your own standards?

Yeah.

Or it wasn't because you needed to have, like, "I'm the guy who invented this."

No.

"I'm the guy who invented this."

I think people would be really stoked if I didn't d- uh, make new things.

[laughs]

I think every time-

Henry, can you just make a song?

Well, every time I make anything, people are like, "Why isn't it the last thing you made? Make it again."

I'm that kind of person.

Right, right, right, right, right.

I'm always like, "Oh, did you really need to push yourself?"

Yeah.

'Cause I kinda liked it when you were doing the other stuff.

Well, I mean, what's fucked up as a fan is I think we all are.

Yeah.

It's like, I listen to, you know, we connect with something on a, you know, youthful level, and then everything that we're looking for is kind of based in this big nostalgia brain about when, when and how we first found it.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I mean, when... We were just talking about how your album sounds like a Depeche Mode album. We, we don't wanna hear the 2025 Depeche Mode song. We wanna hear the 1989 Depeche Mode song.

Exactly.

And even though we love and respect and, uh-

Exactly

... we'll still go to every show, deep down, that's what they all want.

We can't help it as, as fans of stuff.

As a fan of stuff, every time you go see-

As a fan of stuff

... Morrissey play, you want him to do a bunch of Smith songs. You don't want him to do the song he wrote in 2019.

I want him to do Meat Is Murder. I don't... Yeah, I'm not looking for that.

I...

Look, it ended at You Are the Quarry, and everything after that we don't wanna hear.

That's where he had the tummy gong. It was, it was good. Good cover.

[laughs]

Great cover. Irish Blood, English Heart goes off.

True.

It does go off.

At, at, at, at the Morrissey show, actually. But yes, I, I, um, I think we talked about it maybe with Jarvis Cocker, but, like, that album was good. Like, there, the Pulp, like, the, the we- the Return album was actually good, and no one-

It's very rare when it happens

... I can't think of anyone else that has been able to do that.

It happens. It does happen. Weirdly, the, I mean, not really, like, a comeback, but, um, Kim Gordon's new shit-

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's good

... I'm down. I'm here for it.

No, for sure.

Um, yeah.

I agree.

Fine shit.

But I, but the overarching point is even though the Kim Gordon album is dope, even though the new Pulp album is actually good, we still would rather have the, the-

Yeah

... the 1993 Sonic Youth shit.

You know what it is.

Yeah.

Yeah. And so as a, as a dude making stuff, it's always funny. So, like, the, the idea to push and make new stuff is always just for me. [laughs] You know?

Well, [laughs] that's, I mean, that's the way it should be. You have to be entertaining yourself up there on stage, or else there's no point of any of it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I think that for people like you, where you're ahead of the curve for a lot of sounds and a lot of aesthetics, and just in general, I think that the world is starting to catch up to it now. And I think that what you're doing, even if you thought it, you know, in 2019, when people wanna watch Dom Dolla and whatever-

[laughs]

... instead of you do your little shit, um-

Little shit

... [laughs] they, they wanna watch Cali Swag District or whatever it is instead of you.

Dude, 2019 was scary.

[laughs] But, um, but I, I w- I went to a show this weekend at The Echoplex, and it was, like, a festival of, like-

I almost went to that. I was gonna... Yeah, that looked cool.

What is it? Was it dusty EDM for-

It wasn't

... LA guys? What, what was it?

It wasn't. It was all these new kids, bands and shit.

It's called And Always Forever, and it was, like, a two-day festival at The Echo and The Echoplex. Sold out, and it was branded as the f- the first all-ages... Electro Clash and Shoegaze Festival.

I'm out. [clears throat]

But it d-

[laughs]

So it was, so it was like, like I went, I went there to go see... I mean, that's a, that's a tough pill to swallow.

Yeah.

Who played?

But there was like, um, I went to go see DJ Python and he has like a, another band, and they played. And so it's like Bass Victim and like new, like bubbling groups.

Sure.

Ear played.

Which I, which I just listened to the new record and I love that shit. I'm, I'm far too old and-

Yeah

... and cis for this, but I like it.

A lot of people said like the Bass Victim-

You're too cis for this stuff

... told me to check it out, and then I look at the pictures and I'm like-

Mm-hmm

... "I don't know if I'm gonna press play on this."

[laughs]

I'm about, I'm about 30 years too old for this. I need to be six.

[laughs]

Yeah. I n- [laughs] I need to be a five.

But like, so it's like that stuff mixed with Martin Rev and Drop Nineteens and like old-

Yeah. Okay. All right

... real shit.

Because shoegaze means something different now than it-

It does. It does

It does. So they, they had the old mixed with the new, but all that is to say, I'm watching these bands on stage, and it's a guy with a laptop with his Ableton open, and a guitar, and a girl is singing, and they're making some like weird artistic shit, and the crowd is absolutely enamored, loving it. And where- whereas like that's never really happened until right now. Like, it feels like this is the first time where like we're gonna go see a DJ play techno, and then a band from 1986 is gonna play.

Yeah.

And then these two kids from Nebraska with their computer are gonna dance around, and it's all in the same zone.

I'm hyped on, on kids' consumption of, of stuff right now.

All that is to say, if you were, if you were on this bill, you would've fit right in perfectly with the, the n- the new record and how it sounds.

Which is a trip because I feel like there has not been a thing like that maybe ever.

Yeah.

Um.

Yeah.

Other than I feel like FYF did it semi-well on a large scale, but it was-

Mm

... so early and-

You should check out Coachella Festival.

Yeah.

[laughs]

They do this good thing backstage called the YouTube Tent.

[laughs]

[laughs]

But I, I think that, no, I think you, I think this is sort of, I think our age group, it was very... I think the genre lines were much thicker, and it meant-

Yeah

... more, like as far as like who you were as a person, what you chose to identify with.

Totally. Totally.

And now it's just like, "I like cool stuff," and that doesn't really matter.

There's, the template is kind of all-encompassing of like everything that was cool from time, so it's like there's a new identity that's kind of just embracing everything that was-

Like, I, I have to know about Shlomo and Fugazi and DJ Screw

... or like not know about any of it and just wear the thing that-

Yeah

... was from the time and then get educated later. It's such a tr- uh, like-

Yeah

... the whole template and, and, um, meme of, of every subculture and, and, uh [laughs], whatever e- exists for you to look at and copy completely, so it's just like it's funny the entry point for people is always different now.

Mm-hmm.

If they find out through fashion, they might not ever find out about the music that created it or what, you know-

Yeah

... vice versa.

There's no pressure to like investigate.

Yeah, totally. And why, you know, if I was a kid now, how even would you investigate other than like knowing what key phrases to look at on Wikipedia [laughs] or some shit like-

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[laughs]

I have- the Internet's gone. That's a trippy thing that I've been dealing with recently is like looking for the stuff from kind of our little heyday of early 2010s, whatever. That shit is gone.

You mean, you mean like if you're looking for a song, you, you can't find your-

Physically

... the stuff that you're looking for online.

Even images from festivals that were like n- had a million people attending just like Imgur, Photobucket-

Mm

... like whatever, all these things that, that we thought would transfer to something else.

So you're looking for a pi- you're los- you're looking for embarrassing picture of yourself wearing all-over print hoodies and shit-

Exactly. Exactly

... and you can't find one.

Looking for myself in the green apple tree hat with the king-

[laughs]

... the Crooks & Castles. That's a rare ref. Um-

Yeah, but I've, but a- and I'm sure that I've, because I've got this over the years, and I'm sure you get all the time where somebody's like, "Hey, you made a, a remix or you made a mixtape for this thingy in this year, and I can't find it anywhere. Do you have it?" And I'm like, "I- even I don't have that."

That's what I'm talking about.

And I created it with my computer-

Yeah. [laughs]

... and I had the files, and it's just-

We, we are from a lost time

... it's been getting here no more

... dude. It's, it's kinda cool, but it's also kinda trippy to think like when kids are trying to find out about that shit, it's like it's opaque. There's nothing.

Well, it's funny you say that 'cause Jason al- sends our group chat a new picture of him at Cinespace once a week looking like he's-

[laughs]

... in The Strokes but a zombie, so I don't know how he-

He transferred your Photobucket already, dude.

Yeah, he, he found, he found the Photobucket.

Yeah.

It's not because I am in the trenches looking for this shit. It's because somebody sends me a photo.

It's because the cobra snake was in the trenches for you.

They're just like, "This you?"

You had... That era was well, is well preserved, is well preserved.

Yeah, yeah.

Somehow-

It's the one right after

... like before, you're saying like the earlier days weirdly

... like 2006 to 2010 we have like perfect.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[laughs]

2010 to 2017, it's a little bit of a-

Gone

... no-

Fucking gone

... no results found.

That's fun, that's actually really f- that is funny. It doesn't make sense-

It doesn't make any sense

... 'cause things were more digitized, like there was easier access to, to save everything.

It was so easily accessed that we took it for granted, and now-

Yeah.

Yeah

... we're just like, "Oh, I'm sure it's somewhere."

Yeah, yeah.

And then they're like, "No, it's actually not."

I think it's when it first got semi what we thought was democratized but was just mini corporations, uh, that ended up dying.

Are you talking about the Friendster?

The, the, and everything adjacent, like the Imgur, Photobucket, like all these-

Zshare

... hosting sites that just don't exist.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Zshare.

I'm sorry. You guys are... I, I always, I keep thinking earlier 'cause it's confusing to me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But yeah, like-

I'm just gonna put everything on my Flickr and it'll be there forever, and my grandkids will find it-

Yeah

... and they're like, "Nah, that server was-

Yeah

... blown up."

Flickr and Photobucket and all that shit for su- but all the sites you guys used-

And even MySpace, yeah

... for like-

MySpace, yeah

... music stuff.

Yeah.

Like all the Zippy Share, all that shit, like that was a, that was like a five-year window where that was very normal.

Totally.

And then it just completely went away.

MediaFire, Megaupload, like all that shit-

Yeah

... is just gone. It's hilarious.

I know. I mean, I, I, I have to buy... Whenever I DJ like a wedding or some shit, I'm like, "Damn, I gotta go buyThis music

The music that I used to have. [laughs]

[laughs]

Yeah

The music that I used to have that I got from a Russian website, perfect sh- quality fi- audio file done by somebody who really cares-

That shit just doesn't exist anymore

... FLACs, WAVs, whatever, and now it's like I gotta go spend $1.29 on Amazon Music to get Let's Get Retarded in Here by The Black Eyed Peas-

Yep

... to play at this wedding.

I h- I need the original.

[laughs]

Well, you should've had that on-

I need the original

... CD and vinyl.

Yeah. [laughs]

But I guess that, I guess that-

But I, and I did have all of this stuff, but now for some reason, you know, this laptop, and this laptop, and that hard drive, and that cloud, and then suddenly you don't know where it's-

It's all gone

... yeah, it's all gone, man.

I'm so glad that I don't care about music in that way.

There are rules.

Like, I don't wanna own any of it. I don't give a fuck. As long as I can listen to it, I'm happy.

There are rules.

Like, I don't need to manipulate it in any... You know what I mean? I think I like... I have other stuff like that, but that game is crazy 'cause I feel like it's never ending from a DJ perspective.

Yeah.

Like, I feel like there's always something you're kinda chasing 'cause you remember it and it worked.

Even, even just as a listener, it's fucking, it's crazy 'cause it, a, a lot of that shit was just YouTube sound- like, whatever, or, like, Bandcamp stuff. It just doesn't exist anymore. It's, like, not anywhere, so I can't even hear it. [laughs]

This happened to me recently when I was in Florida. I was, like, reminded of this sorta, like, pre-Dashboard Confessional era singer-songwriter-

Mm-hmm

... from Gainesville, and I was, like, Googling everywhere. I'm like, "I cannot find Keith Welsh's music anywhere."

[laughs]

What the fuck? And it, like, takes me to Facebook, and then I find that he's put it on Bandcamp, like, as is, and I buy it, and I listen to it, and I'm like, "Damn, this is... This makes me feel so good, and I cannot believe how hard it was to..." Like, I, I just assume everything is on Spotify or Apple Music. I just don't even consider-

Yeah.

You mean owning the files and playing it on your iTunes or your Apple Music player.

Yeah, I, I, I bought it for $10 from Bandcamp, and then I loaded it onto my phone, and I'm listening to it driving around Florida as God intended.

Mm-hmm.

And I'm like, damn, these Keith Welsh songs hold the fuck up.

[laughs]

This is the, the... This guy's clearly fat and never had sex when he made this, and it works.

Those are the better ones, dude.

And if you're in the swamp with no reception, you can play it instantly, perfectly.

[laughs]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I even think... But I've never really had to do that 'cause the music I like-

Yeah

... is pretty easy to find. It, it, uh, like, hardcore shit's on YouTube.

Yeah.

Like, all the weird hardcore records are on YouTube.

Yeah. They, they do some good documenting in that scene.

That's, like, part of it kind of, I think-

Yeah, yeah

... in a lot of ways, you know?

They're not busy getting laid, so they gotta do something, right?

Yeah.

Well, no, I think they did get laid, and they had two kids, and now they got nothing else to look forward to.

They got laid twice. Sorry.

Yeah, exactly. [laughs]

[laughs]

Um, la- last question, I wanna talk about snare drums. I was, I was wor- working out in the garage yesterday listening to the new record on repeat.

Hell yeah.

Well, I w- I was also high. Sorry, I didn't, I don't mean to rub it in.

Please.

But I was like... I was thinking about the evolution of just kinda the snare drum and how, you know, like, with hardcore back in ear- you know, the, the snare drum sound for, like, a punk record or a hardcore record or a metal record is, like, such a defining, distinctive thing. And now with electronic music and everyone has to have, you know, quote, unquote, "their snare sound," and everyone has their...

[laughs]

You can just pick it out in a lineup, and I was, I was admiring how unique and powerful your snare sounds and-

Thank you

... you know, make it loud without being loud, you know?

Who'd you steal it from?

Uh, a couple people I think.

[laughs]

Um-

Well, that's the thing. It's like a, it's like a, a kaleidoscope. It's a quilt. You, you take 11 different snares, and you layer them, and pan them-

Yeah

... and add stuff to it to make-

Well-

... something completely unique

... a lot of it, I mean, the actual snares in the songs are just, uh, uh, drum machines with big effects and then, yeah, layered as you said and then some, uh, uh, sometimes some, uh, recorded snare foley that I'll do separately on top. But, um-

Mm-hmm

... my, my main inspos, uh, like, I'm looking at the poster behind you, Pet Shop Boys, um, fucking Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins-

Yeah

... the big '80s-

Original snare kings.

Original snare kings. The other thing that really inspired me is that era of nu metal and emo, um, like the really quick high snare. Like, I never use it, but it's, it's, it's, like, layered sometimes deep in there to give it a, like, bink.

[laughs]

It's impossible.

What, who are some of these, uh, nu metal, emo bands that you would-

Um, I mean, I'm always listening to Title Fight, but theirs is kind of more... I, I'm, I'm just inspired by rock drum mixing.

Mm-hmm.

It's not foreground ever, and, um, I think with a lot of electronic music, it's just right there. It's the first thing.

Mm-hmm.

And so being, uh, uh, using a lot of electronic stuff but also using guitar and trying to make it, this record more a kind of guitar-centered focus, like-

It's music

... music.

You're making songs, not IDs.

Making songs.

Yo, I just fuck with, I just fuck with music, though. That's what I-

Yeah, my main thing is music.

[laughs]

[laughs]

Yo, that's what's up. That's what's up.

[laughs]

[laughs]

But yeah, that, snares, man. Um-

Snares, man

... no, mainly, mainly '80s. Tears for Fears, like the gated-

Mm-hmm

... gated reverb, big snare.

Type of snare make a, make a young man's lung collapse when it hits you. [laughs]

Exactly. Hit you right in the chest.

[laughs] Oh, Jesus.

All right, Henry. Well, uh, thanks for-

Man

... taking the time to pod with us. We appreciate it.

That was real.

Pleasure.

Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys.

And everyone go check out the new record, Repulsor.

If you want.

It's great. Great artwork.

[laughs] Thank you.

Featuring our, our boy Salem.

Thank you, sir. Thank you, Sire.

There's some other features, right?

There's also Corbin on there.

We got Corbin, Spooky Black.

Yep.

Formerly known as-

I love, I love... Isn't there, isn't there a Corbin record that's sorta like guitar-

Mm-hmm

... that came out at some point?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That is a classic. I forgot about that until right now.

There's a couple.

I loved that when it came out.

There's a couple.

Shut up. Shut up.

Okay.

I'll, I'll, I'll look back into that. I'll, I'll check into that.

All right, bro.

All right.

Well, stay up.

Thank you.

Good to see you, my friend.

Blessings, my kings.

Good to see you.

Thank you. Peace, y'all.

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